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Interesting how all the 2 stars are linemen. I think that's the one position where you find a lot of underrated players. But for the most part, you'll never see a skill position player getting drafted in the first round after coming out of high school as a 2 star. That's very rare.

UOducksTK1 wrote:Interesting how all the 2 stars are linemen. I think that's the one position where you find a lot of underrated players. But for the most part, you'll never see a skill position player or a DB/LB getting drafted after coming out of high school as a 2 star. That's very rare.

A.J. Hawk was a 2 star. Troy Polumalu wasn't ranked highly either (this was before rivals I believe), Clay Matthews III was a walk-on at USC. TB Jordan Todman of UCONN was a 2 star recruit. Patriots rookie Devin McCourty was a 2-star. Wake Forest/Seahawk LB Aaron Curry was a 2 star, and the list goes on and on.

I do agree that there are more unheralded big-men that surprise in the pros compared to skill-posistion players.

UOducksTK1 wrote:Interesting how all the 2 stars are linemen. I think that's the one position where you find a lot of underrated players. But for the most part, you'll never see a skill position player or a DB/LB getting drafted after coming out of high school as a 2 star. That's very rare.

And yet both Patrick Chung and Jarius Byrd were 2 stars on Scout.

Braveheart wrote:

UOducksTK1 wrote:Interesting how all the 2 stars are linemen. I think that's the one position where you find a lot of underrated players. But for the most part, you'll never see a skill position player or a DB/LB getting drafted after coming out of high school as a 2 star. That's very rare.

A.J. Hawk was a 2 star. Troy Polumalu wasn't ranked highly either (this was before rivals I believe), Clay Matthews III was a walk-on at USC. TB Jordan Todman of UCONN was a 2 star recruit. Patriots rookie Devin McCourty was a 2-star. Wake Forest/Seahawk LB Aaron Curry was a 2 star, and the list goes on and on.

I do agree that there are more unheralded big-men that surprise in the pros compared to skill-posistion players.

People who play along the DL can easily catch up to those that are ahead of them (star-wise) out of high school since physical development helps cut the physical differences down and all that separates them are the mental factors of the game.

maxduck wrote:

UOducksTK1 wrote:Interesting how all the 2 stars are linemen. I think that's the one position where you find a lot of underrated players. But for the most part, you'll never see a skill position player or a DB/LB getting drafted after coming out of high school as a 2 star. That's very rare.

And yet both Patrick Chung and Jarius Byrd were 2 stars on Scout.

I meant to say getting drafted as a first round. Sorry.

Braveheart wrote:

UOducksTK1 wrote:Interesting how all the 2 stars are linemen. I think that's the one position where you find a lot of underrated players. But for the most part, you'll never see a skill position player or a DB/LB getting drafted after coming out of high school as a 2 star. That's very rare.

A.J. Hawk was a 2 star. Troy Polumalu wasn't ranked highly either (this was before rivals I believe), Clay Matthews III was a walk-on at USC. TB Jordan Todman of UCONN was a 2 star recruit. Patriots rookie Devin McCourty was a 2-star. Wake Forest/Seahawk LB Aaron Curry was a 2 star, and the list goes on and on.

I do agree that there are more unheralded big-men that surprise in the pros compared to skill-posistion players.

-Hawk = 3 star on rivals http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/r ... .-Hawk-438
-Troy Polumalu, I believe when he came out, there were no recruiting rankings unfortunately, so hard to get assess him.
-Clay = Good example of a rare player doing it big after being a no name in high school. I credit the 'roids though.
-Todman has yet to be drafted, so we'll see if he goes first round.
-Curry, McCourty are good examples of 2 stars going in the first round.

I guess there are more 2 stars going in the first round then I originally thought. All these guys are on the defensive side of the ball though. Haha, I think a more accurate statement would be: "You almost never see an offensive skill player that's not a 3,4,5 star recruit go in the first round of an NFL Draft"

UOducksTK1 wrote:

Braveheart wrote:

UOducksTK1 wrote:Interesting how all the 2 stars are linemen. I think that's the one position where you find a lot of underrated players. But for the most part, you'll never see a skill position player or a DB/LB getting drafted after coming out of high school as a 2 star. That's very rare.

A.J. Hawk was a 2 star. Troy Polumalu wasn't ranked highly either (this was before rivals I believe), Clay Matthews III was a walk-on at USC. TB Jordan Todman of UCONN was a 2 star recruit. Patriots rookie Devin McCourty was a 2-star. Wake Forest/Seahawk LB Aaron Curry was a 2 star, and the list goes on and on.

I do agree that there are more unheralded big-men that surprise in the pros compared to skill-posistion players.

-Hawk = 3 star on rivals http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/r ... .-Hawk-438
-Troy Polumalu, I believe when he came out, there were no recruiting rankings unfortunately, so hard to get assess him.
-Clay = Good example of a rare player doing it big after being a no name in high school. I credit the 'roids though.
-Todman has yet to be drafted, so we'll see if he goes first round.
-Curry, McCourty are good examples of 2 stars going in the first round.

I guess there are more 2 stars going in the first round then I originally thought. All these guys are on the defensive side of the ball though. Haha, I think a more accurate statement would be: "You almost never see an offensive skill player that's not a 3,4,5 star recruit go in the first round of an NFL Draft"

Matt Ryan, 44th ranked qb 3* on scout.
Joe Flacco - he went to delaware. he was in, delaware.
Jason Smith #2 pick - 2* te/ot
Darrius Heyward-Bay - 3*
Ryan Clady 2* OT

There's a lot more out there than you realize. Same goes for rounds 2-7

Duck07 wrote:

UOducksTK1 wrote:

Braveheart wrote:

UOducksTK1 wrote:Interesting how all the 2 stars are linemen. I think that's the one position where you find a lot of underrated players. But for the most part, you'll never see a skill position player or a DB/LB getting drafted after coming out of high school as a 2 star. That's very rare.

A.J. Hawk was a 2 star. Troy Polumalu wasn't ranked highly either (this was before rivals I believe), Clay Matthews III was a walk-on at USC. TB Jordan Todman of UCONN was a 2 star recruit. Patriots rookie Devin McCourty was a 2-star. Wake Forest/Seahawk LB Aaron Curry was a 2 star, and the list goes on and on.

I do agree that there are more unheralded big-men that surprise in the pros compared to skill-posistion players.

-Hawk = 3 star on rivals http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/r ... .-Hawk-438
-Troy Polumalu, I believe when he came out, there were no recruiting rankings unfortunately, so hard to get assess him.
-Clay = Good example of a rare player doing it big after being a no name in high school. I credit the 'roids though.
-Todman has yet to be drafted, so we'll see if he goes first round.
-Curry, McCourty are good examples of 2 stars going in the first round.

I guess there are more 2 stars going in the first round then I originally thought. All these guys are on the defensive side of the ball though. Haha, I think a more accurate statement would be: "You almost never see an offensive skill player that's not a 3,4,5 star recruit go in the first round of an NFL Draft"

Matt Ryan, 44th ranked qb 3* on scout.
Joe Flacco - he went to delaware. he was in, delaware.
Jason Smith #2 pick - 2* te/ot
Darrius Heyward-Bay - 3*
Ryan Clady 2* OT

There's a lot more out there than you realize. Same goes for rounds 2-7

Heyward-Bay was a four star http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruit ... -Bey-29347

Clady, Smith are not skill position players.

What do I take from this? The the recruiting services aren't as useless as some believe them to be.

Didn't Joe Flacco transfer to Delaware from a bigger school? Not trying to be a nit picker.

ncduck wrote:Didn't Joe Flacco transfer to Delaware from a bigger school? Not trying to be a nit picker.

Yes. He was a 3* transfer from Pitt.

Still. The better recruits you have the shorter the odds you have to develop first class talent.
And with our kind of coaching, we don't need to worry about that!!!

wvduck34 wrote:Still. The better recruits you have the shorter the odds you have to develop first class talent.
And with our kind of coaching, we don't need to worry about that!!!

Huh?

Supreme wrote:

wvduck34 wrote:Still. The better recruits you have the shorter the odds you have to develop first class talent.
And with our kind of coaching, we don't need to worry about that!!!

Huh?

Never mind. Dumb Suggestion.