George Farmer

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Win, and win big and the recruits will come. That, and hope USC falls apart. Cal didn't do their part to help last week.

As much as I hate to say it we need USC to stay strong and hope we beat them. As you can see the BCS has us at #2 and i think thats in part to do with SOS. If everyone in the PAC 10 start cannablizing each other we're going to look weak especially if we lose one.

If you win out, you're in the big game. No need to worry about that. In terms in recruiting, you don't want USC to be good. You want their program to reflect a train wreck.

USC being dominant recently was the best thing that happened to the Ducks and the P10 in decades. SEC fans prob. couldn't have even named the teams in the P10 conference until Reggie Bush (agents and all) began spanking the SEC. Even the "USC and 9 dwarfs" was a compliment compared to how they viewed the P10 prior to Carroll (in past 2 decades).

Perception is all (or at least 2/3) that counts. We began getting respect when we beat USC in the past 10 yrs. Our biggest gain in national reputation this year followed our victory at Tennessee, even if they were "down." You have to beat the SEC (or: Oklahoma, Texas, Ohio State) to gain respect from the east coast. USC did that. You will see another big boost in polls (if possible) if we beat USC again.

When USC was a dynasty under Carroll, they were recruiting largely on a national level. Cali. is huge and they only take a small (albeit talented) group of kids. If we want to win P10 championships, then we should hope for USC's demise. If we want to be included in National Championship games, then we need other great programs (USC) in the P10. While we're at it -- we need OSU to at least be "respectable" at the end of this yr. Voters will be comparing our game with OSU vs conference championships in the SEC.

I don't know what exactly this has to do with the SEC or it's fans, or when USC was spanking the SEC(same as claiming UGA was spanking the Pac-10 because they beat ASU a few times), but ok. Far more people than those from the South East looked at the Pac in that light. Big East, Big-10, and Big-12 fans thought largely the same, and for good reason. USC literally did dominate the Pac-10, and it was in large part due to their tremendous talent advantageous over every other program in the conference.

While what you say is true; During USC's run, they only beat two SEC teams. Auburn and Arkansas. And that was at the height of their dominance. They beat Michigan, Va Tech, and Oklahoma, one time respectively, and they lost to Texas. So yes, while a lot of their respect came from their OCC record, a ton of it was also due to the fact that they ruled the Pac-10 with an iron fist.
Yes, USC recruited pretty well nationally. However their primary base for talent was and remains California. The overwhelming majority of their roster is elite talent from California. Wish for some other program to rise, but USC being dominant isn't good for the Pac-10. You don't want this decade to turn out like the last. At least I don't.

Bumi, appreciate the banter, but we will have to agree to disagree. to a large part, you appear to be agreeing on major points:
1) OOC opponents gave "street cred" to USC
2) USC recruits well nationally.

We will have to agree to disagree on this main point:
1) You say, or imply that a good USC kills our recruiting. I agree that it is a factor, but not very huge. In fact, the more USC succeeds, the more likely they can continue to recruit nationally and save the Cali players for other P10 members.
** USC signed 66 players over a 5 yr period from 2005-2009 from the state of California and 29 from out of state. (per scout)

66 players over a 5 yr period is NOT a drastic upheaval to our recruiting. In the Rivals 250 alone this yr, 25 are from California, all are 4 stars or higher, on Rivals !! This doesn't include All 4 star athletes from Cali, just the ones in the top 250 in the entire nation. 66 players over 5 yrs. The population of California is 37 MILLION people. 37 Million !! go ahead and give them 12 per yr, I'm okay with that.

So far this yr. USC has offered schollies to 20 Cali players, and 32 out of state players (scout)!! This is on limited schollies this yr. I feel safe making the assumption that the more successful USC is, the more appealing they will be to out of state athletes.

Go USC, keep that street cred so we can TAKE IT !!

Sorry I missed your post. I'll respond when I get out of class.

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As much as I hate to say it we need USC to stay strong and hope we beat them. As you can see the BCS has us at #2 and i think thats in part to do with SOS. If everyone in the PAC 10 start cannablizing each other we're going to look weak especially if we lose one.

If you win out, you're in the big game. No need to worry about that. In terms in recruiting, you don't want USC to be good. You want their program to reflect a train wreck.

USC being dominant recently was the best thing that happened to the Ducks and the P10 in decades. SEC fans prob. couldn't have even named the teams in the P10 conference until Reggie Bush (agents and all) began spanking the SEC. Even the "USC and 9 dwarfs" was a compliment compared to how they viewed the P10 prior to Carroll (in past 2 decades).

Perception is all (or at least 2/3) that counts. We began getting respect when we beat USC in the past 10 yrs. Our biggest gain in national reputation this year followed our victory at Tennessee, even if they were "down." You have to beat the SEC (or: Oklahoma, Texas, Ohio State) to gain respect from the east coast. USC did that. You will see another big boost in polls (if possible) if we beat USC again.

When USC was a dynasty under Carroll, they were recruiting largely on a national level. Cali. is huge and they only take a small (albeit talented) group of kids. If we want to win P10 championships, then we should hope for USC's demise. If we want to be included in National Championship games, then we need other great programs (USC) in the P10. While we're at it -- we need OSU to at least be "respectable" at the end of this yr. Voters will be comparing our game with OSU vs conference championships in the SEC.

I don't know what exactly this has to do with the SEC or it's fans, or when USC was spanking the SEC(same as claiming UGA was spanking the Pac-10 because they beat ASU a few times), but ok. Far more people than those from the South East looked at the Pac in that light. Big East, Big-10, and Big-12 fans thought largely the same, and for good reason. USC literally did dominate the Pac-10, and it was in large part due to their tremendous talent advantageous over every other program in the conference.

While what you say is true; During USC's run, they only beat two SEC teams. Auburn and Arkansas. And that was at the height of their dominance. They beat Michigan, Va Tech, and Oklahoma, one time respectively, and they lost to Texas. So yes, while a lot of their respect came from their OCC record, a ton of it was also due to the fact that they ruled the Pac-10 with an iron fist.
Yes, USC recruited pretty well nationally. However their primary base for talent was and remains California. The overwhelming majority of their roster is elite talent from California. Wish for some other program to rise, but USC being dominant isn't good for the Pac-10. You don't want this decade to turn out like the last. At least I don't.

Bumi, appreciate the banter, but we will have to agree to disagree. to a large part, you appear to be agreeing on major points:
1) OOC opponents gave "street cred" to USC
2) USC recruits well nationally.

We will have to agree to disagree on this main point:
1) You say, or imply that a good USC kills our recruiting. I agree that it is a factor, but not very huge. In fact, the more USC succeeds, the more likely they can continue to recruit nationally and save the Cali players for other P10 members.
** USC signed 66 players over a 5 yr period from 2005-2009 from the state of California and 29 from out of state. (per scout)

66 players over a 5 yr period is NOT a drastic upheaval to our recruiting. In the Rivals 250 alone this yr, 25 are from California, all are 4 stars or higher, on Rivals !! This doesn't include All 4 star athletes from Cali, just the ones in the top 250 in the entire nation. 66 players over 5 yrs. The population of California is 37 MILLION people. 37 Million !! go ahead and give them 12 per yr, I'm okay with that.

So far this yr. USC has offered schollies to 20 Cali players, and 32 out of state players (scout)!! This is on limited schollies this yr. I feel safe making the assumption that the more successful USC is, the more appealing they will be to out of state athletes.

Go USC, keep that street cred so we can TAKE IT !!

Sorry I missed your post. I'll respond when I get out of class.

No, don't respond. Go to class. Get good grades. I've already "agreed to disagree."

You can't "disagree to agree to disagree." see what I'm saying, give us both a break