Serra Trio Recruiting News

[Quackers]

Your kidding me right? Once they finish filling up their class they will easily be in the top 15. Just like every other year..... and when was the last time they were relevant?

Location > Success

get used to it.

Ok.

SIgned Texas A&M & Cal

Btw, Miami didn't have a top 15 class last year nor in 07. There's been a noticible drop off in their recruiting efforts, especially in comparison to their classes in the early parts of last decade. When they were what? Winning. But don't worry, we'll pretend as if you know what you're talking about.

That's debatable........ ESPN had them ranked 13th in '10, 7th in '09, 1st in '08, and 9th in '07. They have been mediocre at best during that time period.

You're the one pretending

And Rivals had them 19th, 5th, 14th, and 16th. This season, they're at 38, and Bridgewater is looking elsewhere. On scout? 13th, 3rd, 24th, 14th, and now 45th. A far cry from their anual top 10 class in the earlier parts of last decade.

But as I said, we'll allow you to keep on pretending. No drop off at all.

P.S. You ignored the Cal and Texas A&M reference. If location trumps all, why don't either of those teams recruit well?

Cal recruits very well and out-recruited UO last year even though UO went to the rose bowl against tOSU and Cal went to some lesser bowl against Utah. That's a perfect example of his point.

Boom is correct, location will always play a huge factor; however, it is obviously not the be-all end-all as this year is a nice example.

Cal recruits very well? They were 10th last season, 42nd in 09, 34th in 08, and 22nd 07. That's mediocre at best.

And I agree, location does play a part, but it isn't more important than winning, as Boom claimed.

You need to go back further bud.
Cal since 2002: 6 of 8 classes have been top 25.
UO since 2002: 4 of 8 have been top 25.

Cal is also currently ranked #24 and UO is #35 and look how good of a season UO is having compared to Cal.
Both teams will end up in the top 25 this year, but still.

[Supreme]

I think you guys are both off. I think tradition tends to be the best bellwether for how a team generally recruits. That's why Notre Dame can have great classes year after year. It's why Oregon is now in its third year of being in the top ten, and we still haven't seen a recruiting class that matches our rankings (even with elite facilities). That's why USC can still recruit, and BSU and TCU still can't (though they can scout amazingly well). It's not about location, and it's not entirely about win/loss, though that is a factor, it's about program prestige.

Don't program tradition and National success go hand and hand?

Also, Notre Dame isn't recruiting nearly as well as they once did. Their current class is falling apart, and their last few classes have been decent, but not great.

[TheJuice]

Bumi stop stalking devon blackmon you weirdo

It's on his twitter, I'd hardly call that stalking. I always appreciate someone going to extra mile to get info.

Are you dumb? What are you talking about?

He is tweeting Devon Blackmon.

Its weird.

[Tray Dub]

I think you guys are both off. I think tradition tends to be the best bellwether for how a team generally recruits. That's why Notre Dame can have great classes year after year. It's why Oregon is now in its third year of being in the top ten, and we still haven't seen a recruiting class that matches our rankings (even with elite facilities). That's why USC can still recruit, and BSU and TCU still can't (though they can scout amazingly well). It's not about location, and it's not entirely about win/loss, though that is a factor, it's about program prestige.

Don't program tradition and National success go hand and hand?

Also, Notre Dame isn't recruiting nearly as well as they once did. Their current class is falling apart, and their last few classes have been decent, but not great.

They're certainly related, but not synonymous. Notre Dame is still a storied program, but they've been mediocre at best for a relatively long time now.

And yeah, neither tradition nor success guarantee anything. Other things, including location, coaches, and facilities play a significant role too. I'm just saying that if you want to isolate one factor, I think the best one is tradition.

[Quackers]

I actually went back to look at TA&M's class ranking, they have had 7 of their last 8 (since 2002) ranked in the top 25 as well.

[Supreme]

Ok.

SIgned Texas A&M & Cal

Btw, Miami didn't have a top 15 class last year nor in 07. There's been a noticible drop off in their recruiting efforts, especially in comparison to their classes in the early parts of last decade. When they were what? Winning. But don't worry, we'll pretend as if you know what you're talking about.

That's debatable........ ESPN had them ranked 13th in '10, 7th in '09, 1st in '08, and 9th in '07. They have been mediocre at best during that time period.

You're the one pretending

And Rivals had them 19th, 5th, 14th, and 16th. This season, they're at 38, and Bridgewater is looking elsewhere. On scout? 13th, 3rd, 24th, 14th, and now 45th. A far cry from their anual top 10 class in the earlier parts of last decade.

But as I said, we'll allow you to keep on pretending. No drop off at all.

P.S. You ignored the Cal and Texas A&M reference. If location trumps all, why don't either of those teams recruit well?

Cal recruits very well and out-recruited UO last year even though UO went to the rose bowl against tOSU and Cal went to some lesser bowl against Utah. That's a perfect example of his point.

Boom is correct, location will always play a huge factor; however, it is obviously not the be-all end-all as this year is a nice example.

Cal recruits very well? They were 10th last season, 42nd in 09, 34th in 08, and 22nd 07. That's mediocre at best.

And I agree, location does play a part, but it isn't more important than winning, as Boom claimed.

You need to go back further bud.
Cal since 2002: 6 of 8 classes have been top 25.
UO since 2002: 4 of 8 have been top 25.

Cal is also currently ranked #24 and UO is #35 and look how good of a season UO is having compared to Cal.
Both teams will end up in the top 25 this year, but still.

I'm not arguing that Oregon recruits better than Cal, but that location isn't more important than winning.

[Supreme]

Bumi stop stalking devon blackmon you weirdo

It's on his twitter, I'd hardly call that stalking. I always appreciate someone going to extra mile to get info.

Are you dumb? What are you talking about?

He is tweeting Devon Blackmon.

Its weird.

*As he's on twitter, following Blackmon*

Hey, I tweeted The Game and Lupe a while ago to. Lil B tweeted me a few weeks back. Young people socializing. Serious business. Call the feds and hide the children.

[Supreme]

I know it makes me a "weirdo", but Blackmon just tweeted...

"I love Oregon!"

[Boom]

I'm not arguing that Oregon recruits better than Cal, but that location isn't more important than winning.

It does if your not relatively close to those locations. It's common sense, the closer you are to recruiting hotbeds..... the easier it's to get top level talent. This is why inferior programs (Cal) can out recruit UO & OSU

Yes you still have to compete and win games, but Oregon will always have an up hill battle recruiting against USC, UCLA, Texas, Florida, Miami, and FSU when we enter their recruiting grounds. These are 17 & 18 year old kids, 90% of the time their family is going to care a hell a lot more about location(distance) than how many games you win.

You don't see Florida filling up their recruiting classes with kids from Texas and California........ So until Oregon starts producing 15-20 prospects a year..... We will never out rank those schools.

[Isaiahsdad]

Norman Oklahoma?

Lincoln Nebraska?

Program Prestige is the name of the game in recruiting.

[Supreme]

Norman Oklahoma?

Lincoln Nebraska?

Program Prestige is the name of the game in recruiting.

Nebraska hasn't had elite classes in years. This season may be their first in a long while. Why? They're winning again.

Oklahoma's still winning...

[UofDuck]

I think you guys are both off. I think tradition tends to be the best bellwether for how a team generally recruits. That's why Notre Dame can have great classes year after year. It's why Oregon is now in its third year of being in the top ten, and we still haven't seen a recruiting class that matches our rankings (even with elite facilities). That's why USC can still recruit, and BSU and TCU still can't (though they can scout amazingly well). It's not about location, and it's not entirely about win/loss, though that is a factor, it's about program prestige.

I agree Tray, but winning and tradition cross paths at some point. If Oregon continues to win for another 4 or 5 years we become tradition, so winning does ultimatly becomes the issue.

[Bigducker]

Winning becomes tradition.... same with losing.

Notre Dame built up years of storied WINNING tradition, not so much any more but it still has a lot of clout from winning championships and having Heisman trophy winners over the years.
If Oregon can win a few championships and get a Heisman winner we really become relevant with a winning tradition, even if there's not a long history and then the recruting becomes much easier.

[soduck]

Cal is a top rated university in a great city with decent warm weather. Notre Dame is also a very high rated school, plus catholic for those that care, or who went to a catholic high school, will influence there decisions also. If we keep winning, with our facilities, we are getting close especially if those programs keep losing.

[NCDucks09]

First of all, you're all wrong. There is no strongly correlated statistical data to backup any correlation between star rankings, and how good a player is. The only real correlation is 5 star players have a decent statistical chance of actually panning out. That's because the cream of the crop is always easier to differentiate than the rest of the players.

Ward, Chung, Byrd, Thurmond, Unger, Reed...all those guys were 2 and 3 stars, and look, they all have good nfl careers going now.

The scouting process and development of players is what determines success for a program, as well as great coaching. Also, depth of quality players, which is why Oregon is now better than they ever have been. So success does equal better recruiting or at least deeper recruiting.

I would argue the most important factors in recruiting are:

Location, Winning Tradition, National Media Attention, and Coaching.