Talent isn't everthing

[Bigducker]

Goes to show talent isn't everything. USC, Florida are right there also.

Almost every year Texas get's talent like this, and they really only have 1-2 tough games a year. Great talent wasted by bad coaching.

Would love to see what Chip could do with that kind of talent. Coaching definitely makes a difference.


http://texas.scout.com/a.z?s=110&p=9&c=4&yr=2011

[dthomas=ddixon]

You're right. DTs are.

[Supreme]

With a little bit of coaching(even moderate levels, see LSU), yes it is.

Texas(a year removed from playing for one), USC, and Florida all own national titles last decade. They're also NFL pipe lines.

[Duck24]

The problem with a lot of those NFL 'pipelines' is that, the players start looking towards the NFL more than they do the next game.

[Supreme]

The problem with a lot of those NFL 'pipelines' is that, the players start looking towards the NFL more than they do the next game.

Possibly, but most NFL pipelines tend to be extremely successful programs whom typically compete for titles with a healthy consistency.

[Duck24]

The problem with a lot of those NFL 'pipelines' is that, the players start looking towards the NFL more than they do the next game.

Possibly, but most NFL pipelines tend to be extremely successful programs whom typically compete for titles with a healthy consistency.

Oh I wasn't saying that those schools aren't successful at all. I was just saying that those schools tend to have more 'me first' players who care more about the NFL Draft than they do about Bowl Season and such. Talent can make all of the difference but so can motivation. I will take a 3/4 star player with tons of motivation over a 5 star who has natural talent but lacks some of the higher end motivation.

[karlhungis]

I think it is a combination of several factors. A team with more talent obviously stands a better chance of winning on the field. They also have a better chance of being me first cancers in the locker room. I think a large factor is the coach. If a coach is hungry and has all of that talent at his disposal, he obviously has a great chance of being successful. If that coach is no longer hungry and simply relies on out "talenting" everyone, then he is going to fail. I think the deal with Texas is that Mack Brown just hasn't been hungry for a while and has been able to use his talent to ride to successful season after successful season. Now that it has apparently caught up with him, they are cleaning house. I think he will have an extra dose of hunger going forward but it will be tough to keep a team focused when you have gutted the majority of your coaching staff.

[TheMaehlMan]

I think it goes to show you just how important a good quarterback is. Gilbert has a ton of talent but he didn't do crap this year. We have had an amazing run at the position, and with Kelly as our QB guru I don't see us faltering anytime soon. We will have our down years for sure, but I don't see us missing a bowl, and our talent level should consistently rise over the next few years.

[ppilot]

Talent absolutely matters, but it has to be pared with a number of other factors in order to have sustained success. As we've seen the last couple bowl games, doesn't quite have the talent level, but it's damn close.

[vagusnerve]

Talent absolutely matters, but it has to be pared with a number of other factors in order to have sustained success. As we've seen the last couple bowl games, doesn't quite have the talent level, but it's damn close.

I am, literally, sick of hearing people talk about talent on this board.

Talent talent talent, ad infinitum.... goddamn

Oh no, we don't have the talent! Oh my god, they have more talent!

There is tons, absolutely tons, of talent in the major football conferences. Tons.

Who wins and who doesn't has less to do with talent then it does with motivation, coaching and goddamn natural cycles.

As long as you're in the ballpark, you can compete. You might not win every match up in a particular game, however.

Against Auburn we had plenty of talent. We had at least as much talent as they did. We just didn't have great matchups on the lines. Case fucking closed.

Rant over.

[ppilot]

Talent absolutely matters, but it has to be pared with a number of other factors in order to have sustained success. As we've seen the last couple bowl games, doesn't quite have the talent level, but it's damn close.

I am, literally, sick of hearing people talk about talent on this board.

Talent talent talent, ad infinitum.... goddamn

Oh no, we don't have the talent! Oh my god, they have more talent!

There is tons, absolutely tons, of talent in the major football conferences. Tons.

Who wins and who doesn't has less to do with talent then it does with motivation, coaching and goddamn natural cycles.

As long as you're in the ballpark, you can compete. You might not win every match up in a particular game, however.

Against Auburn we had plenty of talent. We had at least as much talent as they did. We just didn't have great matchups on the lines. Case fucking closed.

Rant over.

So the fact that our O-line has gotten pretty badly in the last two BCS games has nothing to do with talent? Take a look at the teams consistently ranked high at the end of the year, talent absolutely matters.

[Bigducker]

As I wrote when I started this post that talent does NOT mean everything. But is absolutely needed to win championships.

You have to have Very good coaching to develope that talent otherwise it will go to waste. There were lots of teams out there that had more talent than the Ducks but they were under coached and under developed.

If the Ducks can continue winning Pac 10 championships and compete for the Natty, they can really start to get even more talent and as Helfrich said lookout when they do.

[chapelhillduck]

Talent absolutely matters, but it has to be pared with a number of other factors in order to have sustained success. As we've seen the last couple bowl games, doesn't quite have the talent level, but it's damn close.

I am, literally, sick of hearing people talk about talent on this board.

Talent talent talent, ad infinitum.... goddamn

Oh no, we don't have the talent! Oh my god, they have more talent!

There is tons, absolutely tons, of talent in the major football conferences. Tons.

Who wins and who doesn't has less to do with talent then it does with motivation, coaching and goddamn natural cycles.

As long as you're in the ballpark, you can compete. You might not win every match up in a particular game, however.

Against Auburn we had plenty of talent. We had at least as much talent as they did. We just didn't have great matchups on the lines. Case fucking closed.

Rant over.

So the fact that our O-line has gotten pretty badly in the last two BCS games has nothing to do with talent? Take a look at the teams consistently ranked high at the end of the year, talent absolutely matters.

Our O line wasn't as good as it has been....but everyone needs to realize that they were going up against Heyward and Fairley in those two games. Those were perhaps the two most dominant DL in college football last year. When you have to scheme to stop one overriding guy there are going to be cracks on the rest of the line. It's also not like we were blown out in either game, few plays here and there decided it.

[vagusnerve]

Talent absolutely matters, but it has to be pared with a number of other factors in order to have sustained success. As we've seen the last couple bowl games, doesn't quite have the talent level, but it's damn close.

I am, literally, sick of hearing people talk about talent on this board.

Talent talent talent, ad infinitum.... goddamn

Oh no, we don't have the talent! Oh my god, they have more talent!

There is tons, absolutely tons, of talent in the major football conferences. Tons.

Who wins and who doesn't has less to do with talent then it does with motivation, coaching and goddamn natural cycles.

As long as you're in the ballpark, you can compete. You might not win every match up in a particular game, however.

Against Auburn we had plenty of talent. We had at least as much talent as they did. We just didn't have great matchups on the lines. Case fucking closed.

Rant over.

So the fact that our O-line has gotten pretty badly in the last two BCS games has nothing to do with talent? Take a look at the teams consistently ranked high at the end of the year, talent absolutely matters.

Our O line wasn't as good as it has been....but everyone needs to realize that they were going up against Heyward and Fairley in those two games. Those were perhaps the two most dominant DL in college football last year. When you have to scheme to stop one overriding guy there are going to be cracks on the rest of the line. It's also not like we were blown out in either game, few plays here and there decided it.

Exactly.

At that level, it's all about matchups.

In the natty, Auburn had the advantage on the Dline. Their players were giving everything on every play. Our Oline was good this year, but hardly great. We had problems all year at Oline and it wasn't the Ducks best position. Could we do better at Oline in the future? Absolutely, but you're never gonna have all the puzzle pieces all of the time.

I'm not denying that talent is important. Of course it is. But there are a lot of teams with a lot of talent in CFB.

It's rare for a team to have superior talent at every position in a year. Let alone all the time.

USC probably came the closest to that. Look where they are now. Do they still have that level of talent? No, but they have a ton more then just about any other team.

[Supreme]

Talent absolutely matters, but it has to be pared with a number of other factors in order to have sustained success. As we've seen the last couple bowl games, doesn't quite have the talent level, but it's damn close.

I am, literally, sick of hearing people talk about talent on this board.

Talent talent talent, ad infinitum.... goddamn

Oh no, we don't have the talent! Oh my god, they have more talent!

There is tons, absolutely tons, of talent in the major football conferences. Tons.

Who wins and who doesn't has less to do with talent then it does with motivation, coaching and goddamn natural cycles.

As long as you're in the ballpark, you can compete. You might not win every match up in a particular game, however.

Against Auburn we had plenty of talent. We had at least as much talent as they did. We just didn't have great matchups on the lines. Case fucking closed.

Rant over.

So the fact that our O-line has gotten pretty badly in the last two BCS games has nothing to do with talent? Take a look at the teams consistently ranked high at the end of the year, talent absolutely matters.

Our O line wasn't as good as it has been....but everyone needs to realize that they were going up against Heyward and Fairley in those two games. Those were perhaps the two most dominant DL in college football last year. When you have to scheme to stop one overriding guy there are going to be cracks on the rest of the line. It's also not like we were blown out in either game, few plays here and there decided it.

Exactly.

At that level, it's all about matchups.

In the natty, Auburn had the advantage on the Dline. Their players were giving everything on every play. Our Oline was good this year, but hardly great. We had problems all year at Oline and it wasn't the Ducks best position. Could we do better at Oline in the future? Absolutely, but you're never gonna have all the puzzle pieces all of the time.

I'm not denying that talent is important. Of course it is. But there are a lot of teams with a lot of talent in CFB.

It's rare for a team to have superior talent at every position in a year. Let alone all the time.

USC probably came the closest to that. Look where they are now. Do they still have that level of talent? No, but they have a ton more then just about any other team.

No they dont.