USC's NCAA hearing

[Braveheart]

Recruits would still be able to jump out of their LOI's like Seantrel if they make a big enough fuss (IMO). With that being said, wouldn't some of you think that the USC staff has informed them (recruits) that the case might not go their way?

Because Kiffin wasn't telling recruits last cycle that USC would receive little more than a slap on the wrist?

Nobody knew the penalties would be that harsh. No other program got slammed that hard (excluding SMU's death penalty). now everyone expects the worst case scenario.

[jay13]

With the way the NCAA has been ruling in the favor of the MONEY these days,I think USC will get a lesser penalty.The sanctions were suggested by themselves and the NCAA agreed to them originally.They will probably still have one more year bowl ban,but get the number of scollies dropped to 5-7 a year starting next year which means an extra year of lost scollies in the future!

[huckthefuskies]

Because Kiffin wasn't telling recruits last cycle that USC would receive little more than a slap on the wrist?[/quote]

Nobody knew the penalties would be that harsh. No other program got slammed that hard (excluding SMU's death penalty). now everyone expects the worst case scenario.[/quote]

My gut tells me with Carrol jumping to Seattle, he as well as the University had a feeling that it was going to be considerably more than a slap on the wrist. If Kiffen was really telling recruits that....... if not a lie it would be pretty immoral.

[Supreme]

Because Kiffin wasn't telling recruits last cycle that USC would receive little more than a slap on the wrist?

Nobody knew the penalties would be that harsh. No other program got slammed that hard (excluding SMU's death penalty). now everyone expects the worst case scenario.[/quote]

My gut tells me with Carrol jumping to Seattle, he as well as the University had a feeling that it was going to be considerably more than a slap on the wrist. If Kiffen was really telling recruits that....... if not a lie it would be pretty immoral.[/quote]

It happened. It's one of the reasons Seantrel Henderson left.

[huckthefuskies]

I am not saying whether Kiffen did or didn't say that to recruits. I have never had much faith in third party quotes and they seem to drift farther from the truth every time they are repeated. I was commenting more on my own feeling that I believe USC's top brass knew something substantial was coming down the pike based on Carrol jumping ship. Braveheart only said that nobody knew that the penalties would be as harsh as they were. The penalties imposed versus a slap on the wrist are far enough apart that everybody could be right.

[rjfrik]

It doesn't matter. If they don't win the appeal (which is most likely) they can still take their entire class. If they do then their class in 2014 will be adjusted by how many they went over. Right now it's at 17 commits. Let's say they sign 3 more and their final class is 20 and they lose the appeal. In 2014 they will only be allowed to take 10 recruits because they went 5 over on this class. I read this on ESPN. Sorry that there isn't a link.

[WoodyDuck]

It doesn't matter. If they don't win the appeal (which is most likely) they can still take their entire class. If they do then their class in 2014 will be adjusted by how many they went over. Right now it's at 17 commits. Let's say they sign 3 more and their final class is 20 and they lose the appeal. In 2014 they will only be allowed to take 10 recruits because they went 5 over on this class. I read this on ESPN. Sorry that there isn't a link.

http://eye-on-recruiting.blogs.cbssport ... 8/27173109

[mrpd21]

As big a tool as i think Lane Kiffin is...based on the recent judgements against other programs USC is getting hosed. They should get sentences reduced. As a Duck fan I will take all I can get in punishments but compared to Auburn and Ohio St they are being unfairly spanked in comparison.

[Supreme]

As big a tool as i think Lane Kiffin is...based on the recent judgements against other programs USC is getting hosed. They should get sentences reduced. As a Duck fan I will take all I can get in punishments but compared to Auburn and Ohio St they are being unfairly spanked in comparison.

Me, I was hoping the penalties were more severe. I wouldn't mind USC being reduced to SMU status.

[karlhungis]

As big a tool as i think Lane Kiffin is...based on the recent judgements against other programs USC is getting hosed. They should get sentences reduced. As a Duck fan I will take all I can get in punishments but compared to Auburn and Ohio St they are being unfairly spanked in comparison.

Ideally, the NCAA will choose to stick with their punishment of USC and stop playing favorites for big programs like they did with Ohio State and Auburn. Just because they didn't do their job with OSU and AU, doesn't mean that the "fair" thing would be to not do their job with USC either. The fair thing would be to enforce the rules, regardless of the school.

[Supreme]

As big a tool as i think Lane Kiffin is...based on the recent judgements against other programs USC is getting hosed. They should get sentences reduced. As a Duck fan I will take all I can get in punishments but compared to Auburn and Ohio St they are being unfairly spanked in comparison.

Ideally, the NCAA will choose to stick with their punishment of USC and stop playing favorites for big programs like they did with Ohio State and Auburn. Just because they didn't do their job with OSU and AU, doesn't mean that the "fair" thing would be to not do their job with USC either. The fair thing would be to enforce the rules, regardless of the school.

What was the NCAA going to punish Auburn for?

And OSU was punished, very similar to how Georgia's AJ Green was punished to begin the season. My only gripe was the one game delay. That, I thought, was underhand.

[greenyellow]

As big a tool as i think Lane Kiffin is...based on the recent judgements against other programs USC is getting hosed. They should get sentences reduced. As a Duck fan I will take all I can get in punishments but compared to Auburn and Ohio St they are being unfairly spanked in comparison.

Ideally, the NCAA will choose to stick with their punishment of USC and stop playing favorites for big programs like they did with Ohio State and Auburn. Just because they didn't do their job with OSU and AU, doesn't mean that the "fair" thing would be to not do their job with USC either. The fair thing would be to enforce the rules, regardless of the school.

What was the NCAA going to punish Auburn for?

And OSU was punished, very similar to how Georgia's AJ Green was punished to begin the season. My only gripe was the one game delay. That, I thought, was underhand.

The OSU punishment, being enforced only for next season and not including the bowl game, shows a double standard by the NCAA regarding winning versus losing teams.

[karlhungis]

As big a tool as i think Lane Kiffin is...based on the recent judgements against other programs USC is getting hosed. They should get sentences reduced. As a Duck fan I will take all I can get in punishments but compared to Auburn and Ohio St they are being unfairly spanked in comparison.

Ideally, the NCAA will choose to stick with their punishment of USC and stop playing favorites for big programs like they did with Ohio State and Auburn. Just because they didn't do their job with OSU and AU, doesn't mean that the "fair" thing would be to not do their job with USC either. The fair thing would be to enforce the rules, regardless of the school.

What was the NCAA going to punish Auburn for?

And OSU was punished, very similar to how Georgia's AJ Green was punished to begin the season. My only gripe was the one game delay. That, I thought, was underhand.

The NCAA is on record stating that Cecil was soliciting money for Cam's signature, which is a punishable offense. Cam didn't miss a snap.

tOSU was allowed to play all of their punished players in the bowl game because the people affiliated with their bowl game lobbied to allow them to play. The NCAA decided to rule in favor of the money and allow the punishment to take place during their creampuff OOC schedule which also allows the punished players to opt for the NFL and avoid punishment completely.

[Supreme]

As big a tool as i think Lane Kiffin is...based on the recent judgements against other programs USC is getting hosed. They should get sentences reduced. As a Duck fan I will take all I can get in punishments but compared to Auburn and Ohio St they are being unfairly spanked in comparison.

Ideally, the NCAA will choose to stick with their punishment of USC and stop playing favorites for big programs like they did with Ohio State and Auburn. Just because they didn't do their job with OSU and AU, doesn't mean that the "fair" thing would be to not do their job with USC either. The fair thing would be to enforce the rules, regardless of the school.

What was the NCAA going to punish Auburn for?

And OSU was punished, very similar to how Georgia's AJ Green was punished to begin the season. My only gripe was the one game delay. That, I thought, was underhand.

The NCAA is on record stating that Cecil was soliciting money for Cam's signature, which is a punishable offense. Cam didn't miss a snap.

tOSU was allowed to play all of their punished players in the bowl game because the people affiliated with their bowl game lobbied to allow them to play. The NCAA decided to rule in favor of the money and allow the punishment to take place during their creampuff OOC schedule which also allows the punished players to opt for the NFL and avoid punishment completely.

There's no evidence what so ever that supports the notion that Cecil and Auburn ever partook in conversations pertaining to "pay for play" side deals. There was absolutely no justifiable reason to punish Auburn.

I can see people issue with the handling of the OSU situation, but even so, it was in no way similar to the USC situation(who is also a traditional power). The double standard was between decisions involving Georgia and Ohio State, not Ohio State and USC.

[woundedknees]

IMO, the USC sanctions took into consideration the fact that the NCAA considered the Trojan admin uncooperative, even though there are at least a couple articles that insinuate otherwise.

FWIW, both tOSU and Auburn self-reported, and that was probably taken under advisement.