WR Woods has Oregon on top

[NCDucks09]

Our offense is 2-3 years away from being ridiculous.. Oregons always had good to great athletes with a few elite ones.. Now with logjams of talent at every position these elite athletes were starting to bring in will compete, make each other better and if they keep drinking the chip kool aid.. Watch out.. Thank you mom and dad for being oregon grads and showing me the light early!

our offense already is ridiculous and really, adding more of those "elite" players isn't going to change much.

Our 'ridiculous' offense in the last two BCS Games:

0-2
19ppg

Operative words: BCS Games. Seems to me like our offense is doing pretty good. Not living up to your lofty standards though, I'm sure.

My 'lofty standards' are score enough to win, in the most important games Oregon has ever played. It's easy for Oregon to put up huge statistics against Pac-12 defenses, but not so much against elite teams.

My inference in this thread is that sure Oregon's offense schematically is awesome, but against elite teams with elite players, it's a moot point, as it just allows us to compete. Now, with the surplus of elite players looking at Oregon now, the hope is that the combination of awesome offensive schematics and more elite players will translate into 'BCS' WINS!!!

[dthomas=ddixon]

My 'lofty standards' are score enough to win, in the most important games Oregon has ever played. It's easy for Oregon to put up huge statistics against Pac-12 defenses, but not so much against elite teams.

My inference in this thread is that sure Oregon's offense schematically is awesome, but against elite teams with elite players, it's a moot point, as it just allows us to compete. Now, with the surplus of elite players looking at Oregon now, the hope is that the combination of awesome offensive schematics and more elite players will translate into 'BCS' WINS!!!

I actually agree with you. A few top level Olineman & a few bigtime WRs (Imagine having 2 go to WRs like Maehl was last year) & we would actually be unstoppable. We've just been near unstoppable these past few years.

I just hate when people overlook the amazing accomplishments because we weren't absolutely perfect. If people can't be happy & find some satisfaction in a 12-1 season where we lose by a FG with no time left on the clock in the national title game, then they need a serious self examination.

[NCDucks09]

My 'lofty standards' are score enough to win, in the most important games Oregon has ever played. It's easy for Oregon to put up huge statistics against Pac-12 defenses, but not so much against elite teams.

My inference in this thread is that sure Oregon's offense schematically is awesome, but against elite teams with elite players, it's a moot point, as it just allows us to compete. Now, with the surplus of elite players looking at Oregon now, the hope is that the combination of awesome offensive schematics and more elite players will translate into 'BCS' WINS!!!

I actually agree with you. A few top level Olineman & a few bigtime WRs (Imagine having 2 go to WRs like Maehl was last year) & we would actually be unstoppable. We've just been near unstoppable these past few years.

I just hate when people overlook the amazing accomplishments because we weren't absolutely perfect. If people can't be happy & find some satisfaction in a 12-1 season where we lose by a FG with no time left on the clock in the national title game, then they need a serious self examination.

I think Duck fans are happy with the great season and making the big game, but the loss hurts so much more because of all that and the fact that for a school like ours, those opportunities are once in a lifetime.

[L Perry]

My 'lofty standards' are score enough to win, in the most important games Oregon has ever played. It's easy for Oregon to put up huge statistics against Pac-12 defenses, but not so much against elite teams.

My inference in this thread is that sure Oregon's offense schematically is awesome, but against elite teams with elite players, it's a moot point, as it just allows us to compete. Now, with the surplus of elite players looking at Oregon now, the hope is that the combination of awesome offensive schematics and more elite players will translate into 'BCS' WINS!!!

I actually agree with you. A few top level Olineman & a few bigtime WRs (Imagine having 2 go to WRs like Maehl was last year) & we would actually be unstoppable. We've just been near unstoppable these past few years.

I just hate when people overlook the amazing accomplishments because we weren't absolutely perfect. If people can't be happy & find some satisfaction in a 12-1 season where we lose by a FG with no time left on the clock in the national title game, then they need a serious self examination.

I think Duck fans are happy with the great season and making the big game, but the loss hurts so much more because of all that and the fact that for a school like ours, those opportunities are once in a lifetime.

As to the 'once in a lifetime opportunity': I find that opinion rather archaic! The program, while not perfect, has moved forward dramatically from when that opinion was meritted, IMO. I expect we will be ever increasingly in the hunt for the NC! I may be proven wrong, but, success breeds success.

[polyduck]

My 'lofty standards' are score enough to win, in the most important games Oregon has ever played. It's easy for Oregon to put up huge statistics against Pac-12 defenses, but not so much against elite teams.

My inference in this thread is that sure Oregon's offense schematically is awesome, but against elite teams with elite players, it's a moot point, as it just allows us to compete. Now, with the surplus of elite players looking at Oregon now, the hope is that the combination of awesome offensive schematics and more elite players will translate into 'BCS' WINS!!!

I actually agree with you. A few top level Olineman & a few bigtime WRs (Imagine having 2 go to WRs like Maehl was last year) & we would actually be unstoppable. We've just been near unstoppable these past few years.

I just hate when people overlook the amazing accomplishments because we weren't absolutely perfect. If people can't be happy & find some satisfaction in a 12-1 season where we lose by a FG with no time left on the clock in the national title game, then they need a serious self examination.

I think Duck fans are happy with the great season and making the big game, but the loss hurts so much more because of all that and the fact that for a school like ours, those opportunities are once in a lifetime.

As to the 'once in a lifetime opportunity': I find that opinion rather archaic! The program, while not perfect, has moved forward dramatically from when that opinion was meritted, IMO. I expect we will be ever increasingly in the hunt for the NC! I may be proven wrong, but, success breeds success.

^
+ 1!!! well said....

[NCDucks09]

As to the 'once in a lifetime opportunity': I find that opinion rather archaic! The program, while not perfect, has moved forward dramatically from when that opinion was meritted, IMO. I expect we will be ever increasingly in the hunt for the NC! I may be proven wrong, but, success breeds success.

Half Full vs. Half Empty... Apologies for getting off topic. Woods looks like a three star on scout. Why is he getting no love? Miami and Florida have offered him, so he must be good..

[L Perry]

As to the 'once in a lifetime opportunity': I find that opinion rather archaic! The program, while not perfect, has moved forward dramatically from when that opinion was meritted, IMO. I expect we will be ever increasingly in the hunt for the NC! I may be proven wrong, but, success breeds success.

Half Full vs. Half Empty... Apologies for getting off topic. Woods looks like a three star on scout. Why is he getting no love? Miami and Florida have offered him, so he must be good..

Once again, I disagree!
I do not see it as a 50/50 scenario! We are now entering the Elite status, nationwide. That, to me, is more of an 80/20 perspective with the recruiting surge pushing us beyond the 80% threshhold!
Woods is one of the prime examples of this.

[Duck07]

Our offense is 2-3 years away from being ridiculous.. Oregons always had good to great athletes with a few elite ones.. Now with logjams of talent at every position these elite athletes were starting to bring in will compete, make each other better and if they keep drinking the chip kool aid.. Watch out.. Thank you mom and dad for being oregon grads and showing me the light early!

our offense already is ridiculous and really, adding more of those "elite" players isn't going to change much.

Our 'ridiculous' offense in the last two BCS Games:

0-2
19ppg

Really, this is your argument? How does adding 5* WRs affect either of those 2 games? How much higher is the ceiling with these players in comparison to what we have now? We lost a NC game by a fg - there is not much else we can do to elevate our offense other than getting better OL. Even when you add in those OL, how much more of a difference does it make (from losing that game to winning) and then what would you call the offense we have now - good? Really, if you want to split hairs and make it a spaceballs thing and say that we'll go from ridiculous to ludicrous, well, i've got a chainsaw i've been using this past week for you to keep splitting hairs with.

[L Perry]

Our offense is 2-3 years away from being ridiculous.. Oregons always had good to great athletes with a few elite ones.. Now with logjams of talent at every position these elite athletes were starting to bring in will compete, make each other better and if they keep drinking the chip kool aid.. Watch out.. Thank you mom and dad for being oregon grads and showing me the light early!

our offense already is ridiculous and really, adding more of those "elite" players isn't going to change much.

Our 'ridiculous' offense in the last two BCS Games:

0-2
19ppg

Really, this is your argument? How does adding 5* WRs affect either of those 2 games? How much higher is the ceiling with these players in comparison to what we have now? We lost a NC game by a fg - there is not much else we can do to elevate our offense other than getting better OL. Even when you add in those OL, how much more of a difference does it make (from losing that game to winning) and then what would you call the offense we have now - good? Really, if you want to split hairs and make it a spaceballs thing and say that we'll go from ridiculous to ludicrous, well, i've got a chainsaw i've been using this past week for you to keep splitting hairs with.

I thought 'NCDucks09' made a salient point! And at the level we are discussing/debating, splitting hairs may/can make all the difference!

[Duck07]

Our offense is 2-3 years away from being ridiculous.. Oregons always had good to great athletes with a few elite ones.. Now with logjams of talent at every position these elite athletes were starting to bring in will compete, make each other better and if they keep drinking the chip kool aid.. Watch out.. Thank you mom and dad for being oregon grads and showing me the light early!

our offense already is ridiculous and really, adding more of those "elite" players isn't going to change much.

Our 'ridiculous' offense in the last two BCS Games:

0-2
19ppg

Really, this is your argument? How does adding 5* WRs affect either of those 2 games? How much higher is the ceiling with these players in comparison to what we have now? We lost a NC game by a fg - there is not much else we can do to elevate our offense other than getting better OL. Even when you add in those OL, how much more of a difference does it make (from losing that game to winning) and then what would you call the offense we have now - good? Really, if you want to split hairs and make it a spaceballs thing and say that we'll go from ridiculous to ludicrous, well, i've got a chainsaw i've been using this past week for you to keep splitting hairs with.

I thought 'NCDucks09' made a salient point! And at the level we are discussing/debating, splitting hairs may/can make all the difference!

My original point - our offense is already ridiculous.
NC09's point - yea, but we sucked in the BCS games.
My next point - the changes needed to win those games is small, not whole-scale.

Geez, I would have thought hermiston would have taken the brunt of this for claiming that our offense was less than ridiculous already as opposed to me for arguing that the changes needed to win aren't that great

[duckfan96]

Rose bowl...The offense was starting to roll when LMJ got dinged. Blount fumble. And add to that, that the qb couldnt throw. If LMJ had not gone out Ducks win IMO

NCG...Going sorta vanilla on offense for a couple of quarters....didnt help. Couple of plays here or there. Could a better player made a play...sure. But Oregon lost that game by a fg. Like 07 said...Oregon is not that far off. But better players would make a difference. For instance...this years OL's recruits. Give em a couple years and I think it will be the best OL that Oregon has had. There are some players that can turn into beasts in CK's offense.

[ncduck]

Wait a second there Duck07, didn't this start with Hermistonduck stating that we had elite skill position players and that adding elite players at all positions will make the offense even better?

He has a valid point. Several of us on here have used WR as an example, but let's not forget that Hermiston's point include the OL.

So are you saying that elite OLs wouldn't have helped us to put more points on the board?

This offense can take another step higher. Look at what Nebraska's option offense did in the late 90's with elite OLs.

Just becuase theoretical elite WRs were used as a singular example of how things could be better doesn't mean that it's the only possible example.

[NCDucks09]

Our offense is 2-3 years away from being ridiculous.. Oregons always had good to great athletes with a few elite ones.. Now with logjams of talent at every position these elite athletes were starting to bring in will compete, make each other better and if they keep drinking the chip kool aid.. Watch out.. Thank you mom and dad for being oregon grads and showing me the light early!

our offense already is ridiculous and really, adding more of those "elite" players isn't going to change much.

Our 'ridiculous' offense in the last two BCS Games:

0-2
19ppg

Really, this is your argument? How does adding 5* WRs affect either of those 2 games? How much higher is the ceiling with these players in comparison to what we have now? We lost a NC game by a fg - there is not much else we can do to elevate our offense other than getting better OL. Even when you add in those OL, how much more of a difference does it make (from losing that game to winning) and then what would you call the offense we have now - good? Really, if you want to split hairs and make it a spaceballs thing and say that we'll go from ridiculous to ludicrous, well, i've got a chainsaw i've been using this past week for you to keep splitting hairs with.

I thought 'NCDucks09' made a salient point! And at the level we are discussing/debating, splitting hairs may/can make all the difference!

My original point - our offense is already ridiculous.
NC09's point - yea, but we sucked in the BCS games.
My next point - the changes needed to win those games is small, not whole-scale.

Geez, I would have thought hermiston would have taken the brunt of this for claiming that our offense was less than ridiculous already as opposed to me for arguing that the changes needed to win aren't that great

LPerry: Success definitely breeds success, and while I'm psyched about how CK has elevated our program to a top 10 contender year in and year out, I'm not satisfied with our BCS performances. Good teams win, Great teams win close games.

Duck07: My point was not that we 'sucked' in BCS games, we played hard fought games in each one. My point is against top tier competition our offense appears more like Clark Kent than Superman (yeah, I just nerded out with that analogy).

Wouldn't you all agree that if you held all else equal (player talent level/depth, fan support, injuries, heart, desire, facilities), that with Oregon's offensive schematics and coaching, that we should be putting up 30+ points on BCS foes?

Oregon needs better talent along both lines, not just the Offense. We've always been able to get skill players. That's the difference between us and the Bama's, Florida's, tOSU's, and SC's...

The reason being, there are much fewer 6'5" 330lbs Athletic Big Men in the world than 5'9" 185lbs Fast Little Men. Therefore, with scarcity existing for players like this, only the top tier teams get these players with enough quantity to compete for the Title every year.

[L Perry]

our offense already is ridiculous and really, adding more of those "elite" players isn't going to change much.

Our 'ridiculous' offense in the last two BCS Games:

0-2
19ppg

Really, this is your argument? How does adding 5* WRs affect either of those 2 games? How much higher is the ceiling with these players in comparison to what we have now? We lost a NC game by a fg - there is not much else we can do to elevate our offense other than getting better OL. Even when you add in those OL, how much more of a difference does it make (from losing that game to winning) and then what would you call the offense we have now - good? Really, if you want to split hairs and make it a spaceballs thing and say that we'll go from ridiculous to ludicrous, well, i've got a chainsaw i've been using this past week for you to keep splitting hairs with.

I thought 'NCDucks09' made a salient point! And at the level we are discussing/debating, splitting hairs may/can make all the difference!

My original point - our offense is already ridiculous.
NC09's point - yea, but we sucked in the BCS games.
My next point - the changes needed to win those games is small, not whole-scale.

Geez, I would have thought hermiston would have taken the brunt of this for claiming that our offense was less than ridiculous already as opposed to me for arguing that the changes needed to win aren't that great

LPerry: Success definitely breeds success, and while I'm psyched about how CK has elevated our program to a top 10 contender year in and year out, I'm not satisfied with our BCS performances. Good teams win, Great teams win close games.

Duck07: My point was not that we 'sucked' in BCS games, we played hard fought games in each one. My point is against top tier competition our offense appears more like Clark Kent than Superman (yeah, I just nerded out with that analogy).

Wouldn't you all agree that if you held all else equal (player talent level/depth, fan support, injuries, heart, desire, facilities), that with Oregon's offensive schematics and coaching, that we should be putting up 30+ points on BCS foes?
No, I would not agree. If that were the case then it would be 0-0 all the time!

Oregon needs better talent along both lines, not just the Offense. We've always been able to get skill players. That's the difference between us and the Bama's, Florida's, tOSU's, and SC's...

The reason being, there are much fewer 6'5" 330lbs Athletic Big Men in the world than 5'9" 185lbs Fast Little Men. Therefore, with scarcity existing for players like this, only the top tier teams get these players with enough quantity to compete for the Title every year.

Yep, thats my story and I'm sticking to it!

[bigfootlebowski]

^^^ While I agree that our offense is pretty awesome already, I disagree somewhat about additional "elite" players not adding much.

To keep the machine going you have to feed it. For example, what if most of our WRs from the past class wash out?

USC has had a lot of issues with guys not panning out.

As much as the Maehl Man is/was one of my favs of all time, if he had "elite" speed, he has a very long TD in the Natty.

exactly...guys with elite speed turn that into a td....