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Excellent article from ESPN LA on Mamba Switching to Oregon

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Ramona Shelburne is probably one of the better sports writers in LA. She used to be a writer for the LA Daily News and now mainly covers the Clippers down here. I believe she is a former Stanford athlete.
Crenshaw's Thomas picks better stage
Choosing Oregon over USC, the LA native made an emotional decision for himself

By Ramona Shelburne
ESPNLosAngeles.com

LOS ANGELES -- He has been the guy in Los Angeles for the past five years. Rated and reviewed before he ever picked a high school.

He was a Pop Warner legend, affectionately nicknamed the "Black Mamba" by rapper Snoop Dogg.

If ever there was a kid USC and UCLA wanted to keep home, it was Crenshaw High's De'Anthony Thomas.

And up until 48 hours ago, it seemed the Trojans would be able to.

Then, in the recruiting equivalent of their famous no-huddle offense, the Oregon Ducks swooped in with a late pitch, wowed him on an official visit, and convinced the best player in Los Angeles to fly north.

"It was never that I didn't want to go to USC," Thomas said after a tearful press conference at Crenshaw High on Wednesday night. "I just went to Oregon and loved it.

"It's a big stage up there. Coming into that offense, and I'm coming to play running back [not cornerback as the Trojans preferred]. It's going to be a very good stage for me."

There is, on the surface, absolutely nothing troubling about Thomas' late pivot from USC to Oregon.

His skill set translates seamlessly into Oregon's spread offense. Probably better than it would in USC's pro-style attack.

He also loved the idea of experiencing a new place, away from his hometown and the legend that precedes him everywhere he goes.

"It was my decision and it came from the heart," he said. "My mom and I went over it a lot. She really didn't want me to leave. And it was hard to leave. But I was like, 'Mom, I gotta grow up sometime.'"

In the end, Thomas determined that his best option was up north, out of Los Angeles and away from home.

That's the reality that will sit like a piece of gristle in USC's stomach when it looks back on signing day 2010.

The reality that would've been unconscionable just a few years ago, before the sanctions, before Kiffin, before the Emerald Bowl.

USC is still a premium brand in Los Angeles and around the country. It just isn't the only premium brand anymore.

"Chip Kelly, he's a great coach," Thomas said. "He's only been there two years. His first year he went to the Rose Bowl. His second year he went to the national championship."

Two years in the recruiting world is an eternity. Two days is all it took to change Thomas' mind.

In those two years, Oregon hasn't just beaten USC on the football field twice and won back-to-back Pac-10 championships -- it has wrestled away the mantle of cool the Trojans used to monopolize.

Oregon hasn't just won, it's won with flash and style. The way USC used to.

It has run up scores and thoroughly confused its opponents with its video-game offense.

Its uniforms are cool. Its facilities are pristine. Even its mascot has swagger.

Kiffin took Thomas' late defection in stride. He still hauled in a top-5 recruiting class and managed to keep most of the top talent in Los Angeles home.

Kiffin said recently the Trojans' recruiting strategy while under sanctions is to "build a wall" around Southern California.

When asked Wednesday how he thought he did with this class, Kiffin said, "You'd like to be perfect, but it's hard. You're always going to have position things. You might want a kid at a certain position and they see you have too many guys at that position.

"So, I think we've done pretty well, but it wasn't perfect, no."

No matter what he said publicly, losing Thomas stung.

Symbolically more than anything.

Thomas grew up watching the Trojans rule Los Angeles and contend for national championships. He went to high school 10 minutes from the USC campus.

He also had an up-close view of Oregon's meteoric rise the past two years, and USC's decline into the middle of the pack.

"I called [Kiffin] yesterday morning and we had a long talk. I told him I wanted to be a Duck," Thomas said. "It had nothing to do with the sanctions. If I was worried about the sanctions, I would've decommitted a while ago.

"I really just felt more comfortable at Oregon."

Asked how Kiffin took the news, Thomas shrugged.

"He never gave up," Thomas said. "I was talking to him all day."

As much as Thomas loved Oregon, it was obvious the decision was gut-wrenching for him. He teared up as he announced he was leaving Los Angeles to play for the Ducks in front of about 150 friends, family and teammates. He promised to return to Crenshaw and coach the team someday.

But he still left.

"I think the emotional part about it is he's happy and sad," said Crenshaw coach Robert Garrett. "The happy part of it is he gets an opportunity to go away and be himself. The sad part of it is he's saying goodbye to the community and the neighborhood and even to USC. He has some attachment to them, too.

"But you know. He's a young man. He knows what he wants."

In the end, Thomas wanted the biggest stage. Right now, that's not in LA.
“If everybody in this room just want to be real with themselves, this game could have went either way,” he said. “We turned the ball over a lot. We beat ourself. Just be real with yourself right now. We beat ourself.”
-Jameis Winston after Oregon's decisive 59-20 victory over Florida State in the Rose Bowl
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Great article, can't wait to see him playing in an Oregon jersey!
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I can't wait to see what this kid can do and I completely agree, dude is made for our offense!
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"He never gave up," Thomas said. "I was talking to him all day."

Wonder if this statement is what sparked the NCAA to interview DaT about his recruitment... If even one call from Kiffin to Baby DT was made in this time frame, I believe that would have constituted Dead Period contact.
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woundedknees wrote:"He never gave up," Thomas said. "I was talking to him all day."

Wonder if this statement is what sparked the NCAA to interview DaT about his recruitment... If even one call from Kiffin to Baby DT was made in this time frame, I believe that would have constituted Dead Period contact.
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woundedknees wrote:"He never gave up," Thomas said. "I was talking to him all day."

Wonder if this statement is what sparked the NCAA to interview DaT about his recruitment... If even one call from Kiffin to Baby DT was made in this time frame, I believe that would have constituted Dead Period contact.
I believe coaches are allowed to call recruits on LOI day, which appears to be the time frame Thomas is discussing.
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Hard to say... There really isn't anything stating when the quote was made, and although the article was posted on the 4th, it could have been written earlier as many such an opus is. The statement that, "He (Kiffin) never gave up, I was talking to him all day.", would indicate the conversation took place before the LOI was signed and delivered.

Thomas has previously stated that the LOI was faxed to Oregon around 9:30 AM on signing day.
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maxduck wrote:
woundedknees wrote:"He never gave up," Thomas said. "I was talking to him all day."

Wonder if this statement is what sparked the NCAA to interview DaT about his recruitment... If even one call from Kiffin to Baby DT was made in this time frame, I believe that would have constituted Dead Period contact.
I believe coaches are allowed to call recruits on LOI day, which appears to be the time frame Thomas is discussing.
Not according to the recruiting calender/rules!
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Didn't Thomas make the same statement to ESPN's Shelley Smith, in an interview, on NLOI Day?
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L Perry wrote:
maxduck wrote:
woundedknees wrote:"He never gave up," Thomas said. "I was talking to him all day."

Wonder if this statement is what sparked the NCAA to interview DaT about his recruitment... If even one call from Kiffin to Baby DT was made in this time frame, I believe that would have constituted Dead Period contact.
I believe coaches are allowed to call recruits on LOI day, which appears to be the time frame Thomas is discussing.
Not according to the recruiting calender/rules!
A "Dead Period," as the name implies, is a time when nearly all recruiting activity is temporarily shut down.

During a dead period, coaches cannot:

* Make in-person recruiting contacts
* Conduct in-person evaluations -- on or off-campus
* Schedule official campus visits
* Allow unofficial campus visits
* Offer complimentary tickets to games

The only permissible communications during a dead period are phone calls (limited by NCAA regulations to one call per week)
and correspondence.

Think from the perspective of USC/Kiffin. They are already on probation, you would think they would be pretty careful. Hypothetically, Kiffin could have made one phone call. The recruit may call coaches as many times as he desires. It's fairly likely that Thomas was initiating the contact, due to the fact that he probably felt bad that he was spurning USC after having been committed for so long.
“If everybody in this room just want to be real with themselves, this game could have went either way,” he said. “We turned the ball over a lot. We beat ourself. Just be real with yourself right now. We beat ourself.”
-Jameis Winston after Oregon's decisive 59-20 victory over Florida State in the Rose Bowl
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http://eye-on-recruiting.blogs.cbssport ... 8/27738295

When reached by phone Thursday morning, Thomas said the Twitter account is not his and that there are no truth to the rumors.

"No," he said flatly when asked if the NCAA had spoken with him.

Two sources also confirmed to CBSSports.com that the NCAA is not looking at Thomas nor have they heard anything about an investigation into Oregon's football team.
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Well it would not be the first time, nor more than likely the last time, someone was frakking around and posting on 'social media' under false pretenses.
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Players are allowed to call the coaches as much as they want im pretty sure..
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^^^ I'm almost certain you're right.

The question remains though, why would Thomas call Kiffin all day long after letting him know he was making the switcheroo.

It just seems more likely that Kiffin may have made a call or two and that is a no-no.
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