Oregon out shaking the bushes

[duckfan96]

Recruiting? Isnt there another forum for this kinda stuff?

[Bigducker]

not desiring to turn this into a political forum, I will just say Oregon does not need another tax (sales or any other). The govt. needs to learn to live within its means. More taxes usually result in more spending, not solving the financial instability of said governmental entities. Rant over.

You're right - the state of Oregon should continue to de-emphasize and underfund higher education. The educated work force will continue to leave the state and no companies will want to relocate to an area where the supply of high skilled workers (individuals with college degrees) is on the decline. Oregon doesn't have the same natural resources that Oklahoma, South Dakota, and Alaska have (i.e. oil) to survive solely on labor intensive jobs.

CA may have some beautiful places but the way the state is run by government makes it very unappealing.

While I'm not the biggest fan of the CA govt I don't exactly appluad the OR govt either. The State of Oregon is currently running a deficit of approximately $3.5 billion and has a population of 3.83 million so the deficit amounts to roughly $913 per person. The current budget deficit in CA is about $15.4 billion with a population of 37.2 million or $413 per person.

I will admit that budget deficits are not the only measure of a govt, but come on, from a fiscal perspective the State of Oregon has been shamefully run as well.

This and not just based on the numbers you provided. The state of Oregon has very high income and property taxes, yet no sales tax. I realize that the strategy is used to attract tourism, but the state would likely generate far more revenue by implementing a modest sales tax (~6%).

I loved my time at UO, but Oregon is a pretty poorly run state.

Been in San Diego for the last 5 months and heard a radio program the other day with the CEO of Carl's Jr. on talking about how it cost $240,000+ to open a new restaurant in Cal and two years of waiting mean while your paying a monthly mortgage or lease for those two yrs without any revenue. As opposed to $40,000 and 45 days to open one in Texas. Needless to say he is moving his offices to Austin which will take a lot of more jobs away from Cal.
California, like Oregon are NOT business friendly.


That's what happens when your state government is run by liberals.

You do realize that Texas is in horrible financial shape....It has nothing to do with being liberal or conservative. I don't even live in California anymore - I moved to East Coast for a job promotion.

Wrong !!


The forcloser rate in Texas is well below the national average, The unemployment rate is at 8% the national average is now 9%.
The state’s construction industry from March 2010 to March 2011, had a job
rate increase of 5.4 percent , and ranked second in job creation the nation. I could go on and on.

"It has nothing to do with being liberal or conservative."

It sure as hell does if your in business !!

[duckfan96]

and none of it has anything to do with recruiting. just sayin

[greenyellow]

and none of it has anything to do with recruiting. just sayin

+1

[Oregonian]

The economy of Texas has very little to do with its governmental action and more to do with locale in terms of natural gases and oil, as well as room for expansion of manufacturing. The cost of property also has very little to do with the appeal of the state's government in terms of setting property taxes (they're actually relatively high compared to the rest of the country) but more to do with the fact that the state has featured wide-spread urban environments rather than tightly compacted cities like the state of California.

Hilarious is the general conservative anti-immigrant movement, considering that Texas' information technology industry has some of the highest concentration of workers on temporary H-1B visas, most of which return to their country's of origin without paying a single cent of income tax to the state. Beyond that, the rosy outlook of the Texas economy fails to take into account that the state still is running a $15-$27 billion dollar deficit (Read: on par with California) while having large welfare expenditures and one of the worst dropout rates in the country. Texas may have a growing economy, but the government is ran like ass.

[wheaton4prez]

The economy of Texas has very little to do with its governmental action and more to do with locale in terms of natural gases and oil, as well as room for expansion of manufacturing. The cost of property also has very little to do with the appeal of the state's government in terms of setting property taxes (they're actually relatively high compared to the rest of the country) but more to do with the fact that the state has featured wide-spread urban environments rather than tightly compacted cities like the state of California.

Hilarious is the general conservative anti-immigrant movement, considering that Texas' information technology industry has some of the highest concentration of workers on temporary H-1B visas, most of which return to their country's of origin without paying a single cent of income tax to the state. Beyond that, the rosy outlook of the Texas economy fails to take into account that the state still is running a $15-$27 billion dollar deficit (Read: on par with California) while having large welfare expenditures and one of the worst dropout rates in the country. Texas may have a growing economy, but the government is ran like ass.

The difference between legal and illegal immigration aside. This sounds like an argument for expanding oil drilling to other places, cutting spending and privatizing education.

I agree. Governments generally do run things "like ass". Which is why we should limit it wherever possible.

[pezsez1]

It sure as hell does if your in business !!

Yeah, like up here in Washington, where our liberal government has created a horrible economy and... oh... nevermind. Actually we weathered the economic crisis up here better than just about anywhere else in the nation, and the state has managed to draw several huge international corporations.

So much for that liberal/conservative theory.

Edit: Think about this... the states that are having the most trouble aren't the ones ran with a hardcore liberal or conservative philosophy... they're the states, like CA, where the liberals and conservatives are simply fighting more than they are anywhere else. I think there's a direct correlation between the amount of political pissing matches and the lack of productive stuff getting done.

[Bigducker]

It sure as hell does if your in business !!

Yeah, like up here in Washington, where our liberal government has created a horrible economy and... oh... nevermind. Actually we weathered the economic crisis up here better than just about anywhere else in the nation, and the state has managed to draw several huge international corporations.

So much for that liberal/conservative theory.

Edit: Think about this... the states that are having the most trouble aren't the ones ran with a hardcore liberal or conservative philosophy... they're the states, like CA, where the liberals and conservatives are simply fighting more than they are anywhere else. I think there's a direct correlation between the amount of political pissing matches and the lack of productive stuff getting done.

Too funny!

Tuesday, March 08, 2011
LATEST NUMBERS SUPPORT A DOUBLE DIP RECESSION
Employment: According to the Washington State Employment Security Department we lost 50,540 jobs in this state in January. The Evergreen State’s unemployment rate went up to 9.7% (the U3 number, or those who are collecting unemployment benefits). That means that 338,910 folks are on the U3 roles and that includes 15,910 new claims that have been filed, SO FAR! In addition the U6 number or the TOTAL number of folks who are unemployed or marginally employed increased to 642,880 as Washington’s U6 percentage rose to a record 18.4% in January. Particularly disturbing with these numbers is the fact the 64,930 folks dropped out of the work force around the state, because most of them have given up trying to find a job.

[buckmarkduck]

Boeing agrees with you P, WA is awesome for businesses.

[wheaton4prez]

Edit: Think about this... the states that are having the most trouble aren't the ones ran with a hardcore liberal or conservative philosophy... they're the states, like CA, where the liberals and conservatives are simply fighting more than they are anywhere else. I think there's a direct correlation between the amount of political pissing matches and the lack of productive stuff getting done.

California is more liberal than Oregon and Washington, based on margin of victory of Democratic party.

[duck55]

Edit: Think about this... the states that are having the most trouble aren't the ones ran with a hardcore liberal or conservative philosophy... they're the states, like CA, where the liberals and conservatives are simply fighting more than they are anywhere else. I think there's a direct correlation between the amount of political pissing matches and the lack of productive stuff getting done.

California is more liberal than Oregon and Washington, based on margin of victory of Democratic party.

Plus, over half of Oregon's 'liberals' are from California.

[Duck07]

What are the two remaining "American" industries we still dominate in? Airplanes and Micro-chips, both of which are the major employers for the Sno-King counties and will help keep the local and state economy in better shape than others.

I think the single biggest problem in America (and the world to a lesser extent) is our inability to understand the exponential function. I've posted this before, but so many of our problems go back to the fact that there are way too many people and far too few resources for all of those people. Until we recognize this, the partisan bickering (and solutions they present) that goes on from the municipal to the federal level does as much good as trying to put out a forest fire with a garden hose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY

[wheaton4prez]

The premise simply isn't true. Many people understand the exponential function and the challenges of population growth.

How governments are run has a very substantial effect on how well we can address those and other challenges. For example, a country with flawed economic policies will have higher unemployment rates, making them less productive. Fewer resources are being generated to be consumed or utilized by the growing population, increasing demand, prices and/or foreign dependence.

[Boom]

The premise simply isn't true. Many people understand the exponential function and the challenges of population growth.

no, not really...

How governments are run has a very substantial effect on how well we can address those and other challenges. For example, a country with flawed economic policies will have higher unemployment rates, making them less productive. Fewer resources are being generated to be consumed or utilized by the growing population, increasing demand, prices and/or foreign dependence.

Increasing production to fulfill an increasing demand is the main concern behind the exponential function.... and population growth isn't always the main driver behind demand... Economic success plays an equally important factor into increasing demand.

[wheaton4prez]

The exponential function is basic math. I remember hearing the "rice & chess board" story from that video in the 6th grade.

Most people who have graduated high school know what exponential growth is. This guy just says that they don't to try and get attention for what is really the unremarkable observation that the rate of population growth is increasing.

I never claimed that population growth is the only or main driver behind demand. Government monopolies, for example, can also negatively impact supply, competition and prices. Which supports my point that how governments are run matters.