Update on Jake Rodrigues

[duckfan96]

Did Roper run CKs offense, or am I off a year or two? Wonder what his 40 time was.

[TheMaehlMan]

Did Roper run CKs offense, or am I off a year or two? Wonder what his 40 time was.

Yes he did.

[karlhungis]

Did Roper run CKs offense, or am I off a year or two? Wonder what his 40 time was.

I think his unofficial 40 was hand timed at 6.9. I think it was wind aided though.... you can never trust those things.

[Elduderino]

I'm just curious, what makes this guy so good for us? I know people say he's an incredible leader, and of course, he's got that "it" factor, and he can definitely sling it, but he doesn't fit too well in our O really. He's not a runner, given his 4.9 40. Just wondering.

Are you aware of the 40 times for Masoli and Thomas?

Uh, yah just looked it up, Thomas had a 4.52 and Masoli had just a general 4.5 according to Rivals and Scout accordingly. Thats actually really good for HS kids as big as them...

Yo Duffman, just to give you some knowledge on 40 times: in a nutshell, they are the most over-rated evaluation tool employed by scouts/services today. Times vary from camp to camp, HS to HS, timer to timer, surface to surface....see what I'm saying? In truth there are few true 4.5 guys, and despite what Masoli nd Thomas' scouting profiles say I don't think either one of them qualifies; at the last reported UO recorded 40 times Thomas was closer to a 5 flat than a 4.5.

As for Rodrigues...I've seen the kid play, he isn't Masoli--but he isn't Justin Roper. The dude ran for over 1,000 at the QB position in a region full of tough football teams. He can flat out play.

[glazeduck]

For Duffman and anyone else who is anything less than VERY excited about JRod - http://rise.espn.go.com/Football/Videos ... 52a236d629

40 speed is only important in video game life (and sometime not even then...) In real life, mental acuity, agility, explosion, arm strength, accuracy, quick twitch muscles, focus, leadership, and many many MANY other attributes are far more important than how fast a kid can run in shorts, in a straight line. It would appear that Jake has a lot of the above!

[buckmarkduck]

I dont, but the concept makes sense. I was just wondering because in our offense, as is, he isn't really a great fit, but i understand that it can be run.

Chip Kelly has never really run a spread (IIRC) without a QB that wasn't the greatest athlete, i'm just wondering how it would work out.

You should watch some clips of Kellen's final season with us, he was playing incredible before that awful injury ended his season. I also would not consider Darron Thomas to be a "great" athlete, though he is a very good one.

Haha, Duffman if you believe Masoli and Thomas run a 4.5 you may be the most gullible person here. Kellen runs a faster 40 than both 4.75 compared to Masoli 4.84 and Thomas 5.01. Those are official time from UO not made up HS times. Also we recruited KC because of his running an passing, he wasn't a statue and he was a 5* #4 overall Qb in his class.

[briarduck]

I think Duffman was simply asking the Q why, lets not "educk-him" or "Olive -him" to death. Its okay to ask the Q.

I think the reason most of us are excited about this guy is because he was our coaches number 1 target, his video was impressive and the the elite 11 Camp at Stanford (video link above) where he gets labelled the "best" they had seen in the entire country....that is what should impress you above him dude looks legit and "experts" are saying the same.

So be very excited that we have this guy coming BUT he still has to compete with BB and MM who also look damn good!

[UOducksTK1]

I'm just curious, what makes this guy so good for us? I know people say he's an incredible leader, and of course, he's got that "it" factor, and he can definitely sling it, but he doesn't fit too well in our O really. He's not a runner, given his 4.9 40. Just wondering.

As a junior in 2010 at Rocklin (Calif.) Whitney, threw for over 2,100 yards and 21 touchdowns while running for over 1,300 yards and 21 more touchdowns.

[Phenom]

To be fair, I know Duffman from another site and he's a pretty knowledgeable guy. He's got great insight on some of the SoCal recruits since he knows them personally. Let's go easy on him. He's new.

[Duffman57]

I think Duffman was simply asking the Q why, lets not "educk-him" or "Olive -him" to death. Its okay to ask the Q.

I think the reason most of us are excited about this guy is because he was our coaches number 1 target, his video was impressive and the the elite 11 Camp at Stanford (video link above) where he gets labelled the "best" they had seen in the entire country....that is what should impress you above him dude looks legit and "experts" are saying the same.

So be very excited that we have this guy coming BUT he still has to compete with BB and MM who also look damn good!

God thank you. Again, Im not doubting his Ability TO play in our scheme, i'm just wondering HOW he will fit with us. And thank you for the two people who actually answered my question.

And Buckmarkduck, I believe Thomas's and Masoli's "official Oregon Times" just as much as a believe that Cliff Harris actually runs a "official oregon time" of 4.79, even though he's AT LEAST a 4.5 guy.

And you guys are acting like i use 40 times soley to base a QB's running ability. I mentioned his 4.9 because i have heard he's pretty slow for a QB, and as hard as i've looked, i haven't seen as much as a highlight video from him. I'll admit, i dont know much, at all, about him really, which is why i came on here to find out more about him, which all i got was two good answers and the rest of the d bags trying to give me s#!+ because some guy told me to rehash 40 times for our most recent QB.

[GrandpaDuck]

Hi Duffman,

I can help a little on 40 times. There are multiple timing systems used in the Rivals and Scout reported times. The most common is the made up time supplied by the recruit or his promoter. If you cant find a link to a camp or combine the time is probably reported by the recruits camp. Some are obvious like Darron Thomas who along with a 4.5 claimed a 40 inch vertical which was a dead give away that they were having fun with the recruiting board reporter.

If you can find a camp/combine you can try to ascertain the timing method. A beam start to beam finish Sparq timer is the most consistent and takes reaction time out and largely eliminates the start proficiency advantage that track trained guys have over guys that don't run track. In any camp report compare a particular recruits time against how other recruits did at the same combine, particularly guys with verifiable 100 meter times. Athletic.net is one of the better sources to get verifiable track times.

Oregon's internal times are always going to be the highest 40 times you'll find but they are very consistent. You can take the times of guys who have known track times and compare how there UO 40 times compare with others. Kenjon Barner is a good baseline as he is pretty consistent in his track times. In the two years he has run a little track at Oregon he is usually in the high 10.7s - 10.8 in late spring. His UO timed 40 in 2010 was 4.69. Dior Mathis who is a better 60m track guy than 100 ran a UO 4.74 which is the fastest by a blink of the DBs this year though previously Eddie Pleasant (who usually runs 4.4 hand timings) ran that time and a fraction better.

I will say though that 40 times are not a good performance indicator for Qb's or virtually any position other than DB and somewhat for WRs and RBs. Short shuttle, the 20 (which DT does well in) are more useful for most positions.

[maxduck]

I think Duffman was simply asking the Q why, lets not "educk-him" or "Olive -him" to death. Its okay to ask the Q.

I think the reason most of us are excited about this guy is because he was our coaches number 1 target, his video was impressive and the the elite 11 Camp at Stanford (video link above) where he gets labelled the "best" they had seen in the entire country....that is what should impress you above him dude looks legit and "experts" are saying the same.

So be very excited that we have this guy coming BUT he still has to compete with BB and MM who also look damn good!

God thank you. Again, Im not doubting his Ability TO play in our scheme, i'm just wondering HOW he will fit with us. And thank you for the two people who actually answered my question.

And Buckmarkduck, I believe Thomas's and Masoli's "official Oregon Times" just as much as a believe that Cliff Harris actually runs a "official oregon time" of 4.79, even though he's AT LEAST a 4.5 guy.

And you guys are acting like i use 40 times soley to base a QB's running ability. I mentioned his 4.9 because i have heard he's pretty slow for a QB, and as hard as i've looked, i haven't seen as much as a highlight video from him. I'll admit, i dont know much, at all, about him really, which is why i came on here to find out more about him, which all i got was two good answers and the rest of the d bags trying to give me s#!+ because some guy told me to rehash 40 times for our most recent QB.

To put the reality of 40 times in perspective check out the link for results from the NFL combine. The fastest QB last year clocked a 4.51.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performe ... osition=QB

[Duffman57]

Hi Duffman,

I can help a little on 40 times. There are multiple timing systems used in the Rivals and Scout reported times. The most common is the made up time supplied by the recruit or his promoter. If you cant find a link to a camp or combine the time is probably reported by the recruits camp. Some are obvious like Darron Thomas who along with a 4.5 claimed a 40 inch vertical which was a dead give away that they were having fun with the recruiting board reporter.

If you can find a camp/combine you can try to ascertain the timing method. A beam start to beam finish Sparq timer is the most consistent and takes reaction time out and largely eliminates the start proficiency advantage that track trained guys have over guys that don't run track. In any camp report compare a particular recruits time against how other recruits did at the same combine, particularly guys with verifiable 100 meter times. Athletic.net is one of the better sources to get verifiable track times.

Oregon's internal times are always going to be the highest 40 times you'll find but they are very consistent. You can take the times of guys who have known track times and compare how there UO 40 times compare with others. Kenjon Barner is a good baseline as he is pretty consistent in his track times. In the two years he has run a little track at Oregon he is usually in the high 10.7s - 10.8 in late spring. His UO timed 40 in 2010 was 4.69. Dior Mathis who is a better 60m track guy than 100 ran a UO 4.74 which is the fastest by a blink of the DBs this year though previously Eddie Pleasant (who usually runs 4.4 hand timings) ran that time and a fraction better.

I will say though that 40 times are not a good performance indicator for Qb's or virtually any position other than DB and somewhat for WRs and RBs. Short shuttle, the 20 (which DT does well in) are more useful for most positions.

I know as well as anyone that HS times are complete bs almost 90 percent of the time (Trust me, my HS coach was the WORST at 40 times, he would stop them like at least a tenth of a second early, if not two or three...haha), but when your comparing a HS time to a HS time, and its a .4 difference, i still assume that comparitively, we can say that one guy is quite a bit slower than the other, and of course, i'm not saying that thats the all determining factor or anything, but i'm just curious how a slower QB will fare in our speed first system. I just wish i could see some highlights on him, just to see how fast/quick and good of a runner he actually is. I really cant find ANYTHING on the kid in terms of video's.

And being such a big draft guy, i honestly dont trust any 40 time that isn't from the combine for anything other than comparison purposes.

[GrandpaDuck]

Hi Duffman,

I can help a little on 40 times. There are multiple timing systems used in the Rivals and Scout reported times. The most common is the made up time supplied by the recruit or his promoter. If you cant find a link to a camp or combine the time is probably reported by the recruits camp. Some are obvious like Darron Thomas who along with a 4.5 claimed a 40 inch vertical which was a dead give away that they were having fun with the recruiting board reporter.

If you can find a camp/combine you can try to ascertain the timing method. A beam start to beam finish Sparq timer is the most consistent and takes reaction time out and largely eliminates the start proficiency advantage that track trained guys have over guys that don't run track. In any camp report compare a particular recruits time against how other recruits did at the same combine, particularly guys with verifiable 100 meter times. Athletic.net is one of the better sources to get verifiable track times.

Oregon's internal times are always going to be the highest 40 times you'll find but they are very consistent. You can take the times of guys who have known track times and compare how there UO 40 times compare with others. Kenjon Barner is a good baseline as he is pretty consistent in his track times. In the two years he has run a little track at Oregon he is usually in the high 10.7s - 10.8 in late spring. His UO timed 40 in 2010 was 4.69. Dior Mathis who is a better 60m track guy than 100 ran a UO 4.74 which is the fastest by a blink of the DBs this year though previously Eddie Pleasant (who usually runs 4.4 hand timings) ran that time and a fraction better.

I will say though that 40 times are not a good performance indicator for Qb's or virtually any position other than DB and somewhat for WRs and RBs. Short shuttle, the 20 (which DT does well in) are more useful for most positions.

I know as well as anyone that HS times are complete bs almost 90 percent of the time (Trust me, my HS coach was the WORST at 40 times, he would stop them like at least a tenth of a second early, if not two or three...haha), but when your comparing a HS time to a HS time, and its a .4 difference, i still assume that comparitively, we can say that one guy is quite a bit slower than the other, and of course, i'm not saying that thats the all determining factor or anything, but i'm just curious how a slower QB will fare in our speed first system. I just wish i could see some highlights on him, just to see how fast/quick and good of a runner he actually is. I really cant find ANYTHING on the kid in terms of video's.

And being such a big draft guy, i honestly dont trust any 40 time that isn't from the combine for anything other than comparison purposes.

I've seen game video on him, when I have time I'll dig it up. In terms of running he is a bull not an antelope. His ruggedness allows him to be an inside - off tackle option on a read play allowing a speed back like DAT or Seastrunk to be the threat at the edge. This was what made Masoli such a force in the running game, you had an inside counter to your speed back, (he could also hurt you to the outside too because 4.8 even 5.01 UO timed is plenty fast to get to edge off a good fake and the right read.) JR seems plenty fast too once he breaks the line of scrimmage. I think his ruggedness would be an asset to the running game, so in the end his smarts and throwing ability will be bigger factors in his battles for playing time than his foot speed.

[Duffman57]

To finally settle this, i have actual proof for the numbers now, i saw the sparq training website that has all the results...

http://www.nike.com/nikeos/p/usnikefoot ... theopening

JRod was 6'3" 207, ran a 4.85, 4.37 shuttle, 30.somethin Vert. Pretty solid numbers. Not great, but looks good enough to be in the spread with the explosion numbers (shuttle, vert).