Big rumor out there about ASU

[Duck07]

I just don't see why people think he's some defensive genius?

Overrated imo

For me, its not just that he developed the scheme to "beat Oregon" before anyone else realized it but that he has been able to consistently come up with solid schemes to stop his opponents. I realize some might look at that UT game and say 'whatever' but he also helped recruit guys to Boise that are now solid NFL draft picks. If he were to stay at UT long enough, I've no doubt the same would happen there. I wouldn't call him a genius, but I think when you've showed the kind of promise that he has so early on, you've got to take notice. He'd certainly be a step-up from Nick.

So why do you believe he is overrated then?

Cause he coached at Boise.... against inferior competition... and he's shown nothing at Tennessee to get excited about.

And the only time his defense looked good against us is when we had QB's who couldn't throw the ball.... Any decent team could have beet us with Chris Harper as our QB... Masoli wasn't a very good passer to begin with and for some reason he had a really slow start in 09.

And really this is the only thing he's known for... his 09 game opener win against the Ducks.

As of right now... I'd take NA

Maybe some day Wilcox will be the better Coordinator, but he hasn't shown it yet.

Well, UT did just finish the season with the 28th ranked Total D and #35 Scoring D. Oregon was #60 and #48 respectively this season. In his first year at UT they were #69 and #56. You may not have watched them play at all, but it doesn't mean that his defense's get better and that he actually schemes against his opponent. Nick doesn't make adjustments, he just hopes something good will eventually happen.

[Dr.Plompy]

[quote="Duck07 Nick doesn't make adjustments, he just hopes something good will eventually happen.[/quote]

Are you using exaggeration to make your point, or do you intend to pass this off as fact?

[The411]

Lupoi has two 3* guys picked in round 1 the last two years so if he's not coaching them up then they must be magically getting better somehow. As for Cal getting good talent they just started to get top defensive talent in 2010 and 2011 which means those kids are Sophmores, Redshirt Freshmen and Freshmen, a bit early to render decisions on their development.

Not to mention there have been articles on both Alualu and Cameron Jordan lauding their fundamentals.

I get you guys don't like him but to suggest he's a joke of a coach flies in the face of the evidence thus far.

[duckydoug]

I just don't see why people think he's some defensive genius?

Overrated imo

For me, its not just that he developed the scheme to "beat Oregon" before anyone else realized it but that he has been able to consistently come up with solid schemes to stop his opponents. I realize some might look at that UT game and say 'whatever' but he also helped recruit guys to Boise that are now solid NFL draft picks. If he were to stay at UT long enough, I've no doubt the same would happen there. I wouldn't call him a genius, but I think when you've showed the kind of promise that he has so early on, you've got to take notice. He'd certainly be a step-up from Nick.

So why do you believe he is overrated then?

Cause he coached at Boise.... against inferior competition... and he's shown nothing at Tennessee to get excited about.

And the only time his defense looked good against us is when we had QB's who couldn't throw the ball.... Any decent team could have beet us with Chris Harper as our QB... Masoli wasn't a very good passer to begin with and for some reason he had a really slow start in 09.

And really this is the only thing he's known for... his 09 game opener win against the Ducks.

As of right now... I'd take NA

Maybe some day Wilcox will be the better Coordinator, but he hasn't shown it yet.

Well, UT did just finish the season with the 28th ranked Total D and #35 Scoring D. Oregon was #60 and #48 respectively this season. In his first year at UT they were #69 and #56. You may not have watched them play at all, but it doesn't mean that his defense's get better and that he actually schemes against his opponent. Nick doesn't make adjustments, he just hopes something good will eventually happen.

Tennessee's depth chart was pretty bare as well. They'd play well for a half but then just get run over after that, like against Alabama. Wilcox would be a good hire for ASU but i dont think that he can pull Lupoi from Cal

[maxduck]

Well, UT did just finish the season with the 28th ranked Total D and #35 Scoring D. Oregon was #60 and #48 respectively this season. In his first year at UT they were #69 and #56. You may not have watched them play at all, but it doesn't mean that his defense's get better and that he actually schemes against his opponent. Nick doesn't make adjustments, he just hopes something good will eventually happen.

And it appears the highest ranking for a SEC offense is #29 with the worst at #118. I could achieve good numbers against those offensive powers.

[Boom]

I just don't see why people think he's some defensive genius?

Overrated imo

For me, its not just that he developed the scheme to "beat Oregon" before anyone else realized it but that he has been able to consistently come up with solid schemes to stop his opponents. I realize some might look at that UT game and say 'whatever' but he also helped recruit guys to Boise that are now solid NFL draft picks. If he were to stay at UT long enough, I've no doubt the same would happen there. I wouldn't call him a genius, but I think when you've showed the kind of promise that he has so early on, you've got to take notice. He'd certainly be a step-up from Nick.

So why do you believe he is overrated then?

Cause he coached at Boise.... against inferior competition... and he's shown nothing at Tennessee to get excited about.

And the only time his defense looked good against us is when we had QB's who couldn't throw the ball.... Any decent team could have beet us with Chris Harper as our QB... Masoli wasn't a very good passer to begin with and for some reason he had a really slow start in 09.

And really this is the only thing he's known for... his 09 game opener win against the Ducks.

As of right now... I'd take NA

Maybe some day Wilcox will be the better Coordinator, but he hasn't shown it yet.

Well, UT did just finish the season with the 28th ranked Total D and #35 Scoring D. Oregon was #60 and #48 respectively this season. In his first year at UT they were #69 and #56. You may not have watched them play at all, but it doesn't mean that his defense's get better and that he actually schemes against his opponent. Nick doesn't make adjustments, he just hopes something good will eventually happen.

Am I suppose to be impressed?

BTW UT didn't play Andrew Luck & Mat Barkley... They sure did a hell of a job shutting out Middle Tennessee though

[Boom]

Nick doesn't make adjustments, he just hopes something good will eventually happen.

Are you using exaggeration to make your point, or do you intend to pass this off as fact?

I guess good things tend to happen more often than not...

[Duck07]

[quote="Duck07 Nick doesn't make adjustments, he just hopes something good will eventually happen.

Are you using exaggeration to make your point, or do you intend to pass this off as fact?[/quote]
Actually, on more than one occassion Nick has said that there were zero second half changes. Happens quite often in fact. If you actually watch how the D lines up and then what happens post-snap, you would find that nothing of substance really changes.

[Duck07]

Well, UT did just finish the season with the 28th ranked Total D and #35 Scoring D. Oregon was #60 and #48 respectively this season. In his first year at UT they were #69 and #56. You may not have watched them play at all, but it doesn't mean that his defense's get better and that he actually schemes against his opponent. Nick doesn't make adjustments, he just hopes something good will eventually happen.

And it appears the highest ranking for a SEC offense is #29 with the worst at #118. I could achieve good numbers against those offensive powers.

You're absolutely right. That kind of progress from year 1 to year 2 is just atrocious. Really, how short-sighted are some of you when it comes to examining our defense? The single biggest change in our defense since Chip took over was taking the rover/nickel db off the field and bringing in another backer. Other than that, its the same old basic zone blitz schemes ripped off from other schools.

[sweetft5]

Well, UT did just finish the season with the 28th ranked Total D and #35 Scoring D. Oregon was #60 and #48 respectively this season. In his first year at UT they were #69 and #56. You may not have watched them play at all, but it doesn't mean that his defense's get better and that he actually schemes against his opponent. Nick doesn't make adjustments, he just hopes something good will eventually happen.

And it appears the highest ranking for a SEC offense is #29 with the worst at #118. I could achieve good numbers against those offensive powers.

You're absolutely right. That kind of progress from year 1 to year 2 is just atrocious. Really, how short-sighted are some of you when it comes to examining our defense? The single biggest change in our defense since Chip took over was taking the rover/nickel db off the field and bringing in another backer. Other than that, its the same old basic zone blitz schemes ripped off from other schools.

Opponents scoring over the last 5 years; 1st half 834 2nd half 676.....yeah that just screams no adjustments...guess his hope for something good will eventually happen is quite effective. And in the last few years there has been a bunch of scoring in garbage time...21 points in just the last two games...Don't know what kind of obvious visual changes you are looking for...are you looking for them to all of a sudden come out in a 5-2???

[wheaton4prez]

I just don't see why people think he's some defensive genius?

Probably because most of his defenses have performed consistently well, often times helping to beat top teams, all with recruiting classes ranked 72, 73 and 78.

His time at UT should be seen as a success considering that the program was left in shambles, to be inexplicably led by Derek Dooley, an inexperienced HC who has made 2 bowl games in 5 seasons. To go from 69th to 28th in D in the SEC, under the above circumstances, is impressive.

[wheaton4prez]

And it appears the highest ranking for a SEC offense is #29 with the worst at #118. I could achieve good numbers against those offensive powers.

Except that those rankings were against some very good defenses. Especially this year: http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/ ... al-defense

[Boom]

I just don't see why people think he's some defensive genius?

Probably because most of his defenses have performed consistently well, often times helping to beat top teams, all with recruiting classes ranked 72, 73 and 78.

Top teams? they beat Oklahoma and Oregon twice... that's it unless you're counting TCU... and outside of the 09 Oregon win... their offense won the games for them.

His time at UT should be seen as a success considering that the program was left in shambles, to be inexplicably led by Derek Dooley, an inexperienced HC who has made 2 bowl games in 5 seasons. To go from 69th to 28th in D in the SEC, under the above circumstances, is impressive.

No it's not

2011 5-7 (1-7)record
Florida averaged 22 against UT 33
LSU averaged 38 against UT 38
Bama averaged 36 against UT 37
SC averaged 30 against UT 14 (without Lattimore and Garcia)
Arkansas averaged 37 against UT 49


2010 6-7 (3-5) record
Florida averaged 30 against UT 31
LSU averaged 30 against UT 16
Georgia averaged 32 against UT 41
Alabama averaged 35 against UT 41
SC averaged 31 against UT 38 (with Lattimore & Garcia)



They were basically the same team... probably worst actually.

Only 5 SEC offenses average above 29 pts this year... compared to 10 in the previous year.

[Duck07]

One coordinator in this picture has taken his defense and improved it year to year without having to make up excuses.
The other coordinator has 1 top 25 Defensive season in over 15+ years, doesn't run anything new and we treat him like he's Buddy frickin Ryan.

[Boom]

One coordinator in this picture has taken his defense and improved it year to year without having to make up excuses.
The other coordinator has 1 top 25 Defensive season in over 15+ years, doesn't run anything new and we treat him like he's Buddy frickin Ryan.

You're comparing a guy who competed in the Mountain West? To a guy who has led us to the #1/2 defense in the Pac12 for the past 2 seasons.

And as I've shown... His defense hardly made an improvement at UT.. they just played worst offenses.

But ya it makes sense to trade Alliotti in for him