Is the pursuit of Arik Armstead dead?

[Diehardduckfan]

Ksmack if you are mentoring kids in a legitimate way, like through some sort of organization or school where there is background checks and people actually have to be qualified then..... I fear for our coming generation if they are being mentored by a dude claiming to be the perez Hilton of recruiting, and represents himself with bikini clad women as his avatar. But if you're just talking about through social networking sites or some friend or family member you know I wouldn't call yourself an official mentor. You're just a person who gives advice/opinions to people/friends

[Diehardduckfan]

if some1 wants to make a fool of themselves and pester recruit like that. ill let em, maybe they will come up with a nugget here and there

Well, that's not much different than what the guys at Rivals, Scout, & 247 do.

Ya, no disrespect to JHop or Mops but is that not how they pretty much did their thing? Ksmack is this a free preview of a pay service?

This is true to an extent. When Justin was here he was just a guy passionate about recuiting who loved the ducks. He had subscriptions to recruiting sites so he had good info and he followed many of the recruits on FB and twitter (as he still does). The difference I think is that Justin had a more level head about it. Sure he was still a grown man with a family stalking highschool athletes but he didn't get emotional and caught up in wild speculations.

Matt has his media credentials so that is an easy legitimate in to get info out of recruits without seeming like a stalker/obsessed fan.

Now that they work for a scouting service they have more tools such as a list of phone numbers of recruits, which can be obtained through recruiting services for a price, and also can be obtained through camps (sometimes put on by the scouting service themselves) where recruits give their information out when they sign up. The scouts from all the different regions share this info (phone numbers) with anybody within their organization as a periodic mass email or by request. So once your in anyone can seem legitimate, but you have to prove yourself worthy first, I think, you can't just be any obsessed fan.

[ksmack]

I hear your point. However accredited or not, we all our mentors if we handle it the right way period. Twitter and Facebook is a social media to connect with people athletes, celebs, or your old classmates. Regardless your interpretation or definition. its about building relationships and yes giving advice, remember when you were 19 and as you get older you see things differently and there is nothing wrong in sharing with others your paths thru life, our young people need mentors and need to hear what others have done wrong and what has worked for them. When our older people take an interest in how they can help not go Willie on them, then its legit. You are entitled to your opinion. No worries. glad we got that straight.

Go Ducks #Otime

[ntxduck]

Stop dude...just stop. You look hella creepy when you talk to high schoolers on Twitter and do more to drive kids away from Oregon than gude them here.

[UOducksTK1]

I hear your point. However accredited or not, we all our mentors if we handle it the right way period. Twitter and Facebook is a social media to connect with people athletes, celebs, or your old classmates. Regardless your interpretation or definition. its about building relationships and yes giving advice, remember when you were 19 and as you get older you see things differently and there is nothing wrong in sharing with others your paths thru life, our young people need mentors and need to hear what others have done wrong and what has worked for them. When our older people take an interest in how they can help not go Willie on them, then its legit. You are entitled to your opinion. No worries. glad we got that straight.

Go Ducks #Otime

Not to be a jerk ksmack, but I don't think you should be giving advice.

If I'm 19 the last thing I'd want is someone over twitter telling me what to do or how to see things.

[Diehardduckfan]

I hear your point. However accredited or not, we all our mentors if we handle it the right way period. Twitter and Facebook is a social media to connect with people athletes, celebs, or your old classmates. Regardless your interpretation or definition. its about building relationships and yes giving advice, remember when you were 19 and as you get older you see things differently and there is nothing wrong in sharing with others your paths thru life, our young people need mentors and need to hear what others have done wrong and what has worked for them. When our older people take an interest in how they can help not go Willie on them, then its legit. You are entitled to your opinion. No worries. glad we got that straight.

Go Ducks #Otime

Well if you are trying to build relationships over the internet that's fine, i definitely think there are better ways to do it. And if you want to give "advice" which think you are doing, then building real relationships and earning the right to be heard is the only way to do it. But I have one question does it have to be with Oregon recruits? When because you are posting here one of your obvious intentions is to get information out of them. Any "advice" you give convoluted with intentions like that can't be righteous or worthy of consideration by those you give it to.

[ksmack]

I hear ya Die hard duck fan/ I bleed green and yellow, but honestly like gehrig Dieter a potentially oregon recruit. I wished him the best on his visit to SMU and he has a visit with an SMU coach tonight. So if they don't pick Oregon no big deal. ultimately its there decision. Support our youth! To the poster talking about peeps not taking my advice all the time. Yes its their choice, but many have said they appreciate it and because I have been thru a lot of different experiences they appreciate the experiences I share with them, also they can see how they can avoid same mistakes. Thanks for the help Die Hard Duck fan. Much respect. Go Ducks!

[Duck07]

I hear your point. However accredited or not, we all our mentors if we handle it the right way period. Twitter and Facebook is a social media to connect with people athletes, celebs, or your old classmates. Regardless your interpretation or definition. its about building relationships and yes giving advice, remember when you were 19 and as you get older you see things differently and there is nothing wrong in sharing with others your paths thru life, our young people need mentors and need to hear what others have done wrong and what has worked for them. When our older people take an interest in how they can help not go Willie on them, then its legit. You are entitled to your opinion. No worries. glad we got that straight.

Go Ducks #Otime

I'm not going to rip into you on this, but social media is NOT how you go about mentoring someone. If you feel like you have some good advice and want to go down that pathway, you need to understand more about the entire aspect of this beyond simply giving out advice. I would start by going and picking up a copy of John Wooden's "A Game Plan for Life: The Power of Mentoring."

[Diehardduckfan]

These recruits have families, communities, schools, teachers, coaches, and churches. They get plenty of support. Anything said over twitter with a limit of 140 characters per post isn't going to be very deep or very meaningful. It is just surface level because of the medium. I think most people on this board would just appreciate you being straight up and not say what you are doing is mentoring. Unless you are actually meeting with these kids weekly face to face and spending quality time with them I am sorry, but you are not mentoring them. Like I said you are just giving surface level "advice" that doesn't have a foundation because they don't really know you and you don't really know who they are.

[TheMaehlMan]

My opinion is that "mentoring" a person that you don't know via family, coaching, teaching, or just personally is just kind of wrong. Regardless of whether or not I think it is creepy, do you really believe you should be giving a person who you do not know advice? I doubt they are actually taking your advice, but I know that if I gave a high school kid(that I didn't really know) some advice that I would feel wrong about that. I don't know you ksmack, so I'm trying not be mean about it. I just don't know if it is ethically in the right to be doing what you are saying that you do.

Anyways, back to recruiting...lol

[ChipKellyKapowski]

its not a college its a culture of things.

If I never heard this garbage line ever again... I swear to god.

And this discussion is particularly funny in light of the fact that it's technically a violation of NCAA regulations for any of us boosters to be interacting with the PSAs in any way, social media, or otherwise.

Yes. You are a booster.

[Duck07]

its not a college its a culture of things.

If I never heard this garbage line ever again... I swear to god.

And this discussion is particularly funny in light of the fact that it's technically a violation of NCAA regulations for any of us boosters to be interacting with the PSAs in any way, social media, or otherwise.

Yes. You are a booster.

No, not yet. That's our big concern though, just exactly how the NCAA determines who is and is not a booster. The reason its not is because any of us could go do the same thing for Cal or SC and under that same guise, the NCAA would rule them in violation too. That's why the NCAA leaves social media alone because they don't know how to enforce any of it.

[maxduck]

its not a college its a culture of things.

If I never heard this garbage line ever again... I swear to god.

And this discussion is particularly funny in light of the fact that it's technically a violation of NCAA regulations for any of us boosters to be interacting with the PSAs in any way, social media, or otherwise.

Yes. You are a booster.

No, not yet. That's our big concern though, just exactly how the NCAA determines who is and is not a booster. The reason its not is because any of us could go do the same thing for Cal or SC and under that same guise, the NCAA would rule them in violation too. That's why the NCAA leaves social media alone because they don't know how to enforce any of it.

Rather than argue on a message board the definition of "booster" go to a reliable source.

http://www.goducks.com/fls/500/pages/ge ... ations.pdf
http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml ... =205057746

I will let those who know the particulars of ksmack debate the relevant sections.

[Duck07]

its not a college its a culture of things.

If I never heard this garbage line ever again... I swear to god.

And this discussion is particularly funny in light of the fact that it's technically a violation of NCAA regulations for any of us boosters to be interacting with the PSAs in any way, social media, or otherwise.

Yes. You are a booster.

No, not yet. That's our big concern though, just exactly how the NCAA determines who is and is not a booster. The reason its not is because any of us could go do the same thing for Cal or SC and under that same guise, the NCAA would rule them in violation too. That's why the NCAA leaves social media alone because they don't know how to enforce any of it.

Rather than argue on a message board the definition of "booster" go to a reliable source.

http://www.goducks.com/fls/500/pages/ge ... ations.pdf
http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml ... =205057746

I will let those who know the particulars of ksmack debate the relevant sections.

Again, the ncaa might have things against it, but they have NEVER ruled a "fan" as being a booster for contacting them through social media because it is an unenforceable rule.

[ChipKellyKapowski]

You are confusing the issue. We (assuming you are either a current student, alumn, or at any point paid for tickets or supported the AD financially) are all boosters, period. I said that technically any attempt to contact the PSA is in fact a violation, and that's true. Whether or not they enforce anything is another matter entirely.