Ducks lose a recruit?

[StevensTechU]

Yeah, because Louisiana is littered with 4 star recruits. LSU can probably walk to the nearest high school and find SEC level athletes, we don't have that luxury. We're lucky if Portland has a handful of D1 caliber players, and this cycle...the top two players are going to Washington and everyone else is kinda average at best. Next cycle will be different however.

That makes it all the more important that Oregon get total buy-in from in-state kids to me. I don't want to hijack this whole thread, it just seems like 4* and 5* kids favor leaving (Molden, Marlon, Scarletts, Odighizuwa, and many many others) the state more than staying, and that doesn't help when you're already challenged by geography. Even the recruits who wound up at UO (Lyerla, Tyner) came dangerously close to leaving.

[Duckenstein]

DD is a guy the Ducks can afford to lose talent and depth wise but as far as building a wall around the State and keeping the local kids here the coaches have a lot of work to do after losing another one, whether by choice or not. I believe there is only one current commit from the state for this class now? Considering there was a fair amount of talent for this year for the state, that's pathetic. The PK's did the right thing by pulling the trigger now before things got even worse. Seems like a good kid though so good luck to him wherever he goes.

Taking kids from Oregon just to "build a wall" is part of how we got here. We need to cherry pick the best and after Molden and Tuipolotu, Forsyth is the only other Oregon level kid. Just cause other kids go D1 doesn't mean they are "Oregon Level". We should be build a wall around the best talent in the state OSU and others can have the rest as far as I'm concerned.


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Taggart just offered that Pili kid. DT with offer from USC.

[Duckenstein]

Yeah, because Louisiana is littered with 4 star recruits. LSU can probably walk to the nearest high school and find SEC level athletes, we don't have that luxury. We're lucky if Portland has a handful of D1 caliber players, and this cycle...the top two players are going to Washington and everyone else is kinda average at best. Next cycle will be different however.

That makes it all the more important that Oregon get total buy-in from in-state kids to me. I don't want to hijack this whole thread, it just seems like 4* and 5* kids favor leaving (Molden, Marlon, Scarletts, Odighizuwa, and many many others) the state more than staying, and that doesn't help when you're already challenged by geography. Even the recruits who wound up at UO (Lyerla, Tyner) came dangerously close to leaving.

It's like that everywhere. Some kids want to get out and see something else. Some kids want a 4 star education.

The difference is that Oregon inconsistently produces 4/5 star kids. We got Lyerla and Tyner. Molden and Marlon were recruited by the Helfrich Trainwreck Crew, can't blame them for gravitating away from a disaster of a program headed toward rock bottom. Some kids are gonna stay in state, some aren't.

The Beavs have gotten a couple of those types of Oregon guys too.

[duckfan96]

Do you look for every opportunity to bash the old coaching staff?

[StevensTechU]

It's like that everywhere. Some kids want to get out and see something else. Some kids want a 4 star education.

I beg to differ, but I also don't have the time to put together a comparison. However, I'd wager real dollars that the state of Oregon sends a higher proportion of its 4* and 5* to programs out-of-state than states like Georgia, Louisiana, California, or even Washington. I truly believe there's a culture of 'If you're a big time recruit, you leave Oregon."

[Phenom]

I don't believe that at all. Especially not before this year.

[dthomas=ddixon]

Maybe this is just my perception but it seems like a lot of the 4-5* recruits the state produces weren't actually born and raised here. If many of them are transplants then they obviously won't have Oregon roots or connection to the state.

[StevensTechU]

Proportion of Oregon's 4*/5* (247 Composite) players who elected to go to OSU or UO.

2017: 0/2
2016: 2/2
2015: 0/1
2014: 0/3
2013: 2/3
2012: 2/2
2011: 1/2
2010: 1/3

8/18 (44%) stayed home during a period where Oregon was amazing, OSU was Ok, washington and USC were mostly terrible.

Proportion of Washington's 4*/5* players who elected to go to uw or WSU.

2017: 3/4 (Weddington excluded - uncommitted)
2016: 2/3
2015: 5/6
2014: 2/2
2013: 0/2
2012: 1/5
2011: 3/3
2010: 1/2

17/27 (63%)

That's a sizable gap.

Oklahoma (chosen because it also has more than 1 major in-state program, has similar quality in-state programs)

2017: 5/5
2016: 1/1
2015: 3/5
2014: 5/7
2013: 2/2
2012: 2/4
2011: 0/1
2010: 2/4

20/29 (69%)

[DuckedOut]

It's like that everywhere. Some kids want to get out and see something else. Some kids want a 4 star education.

I beg to differ, but I also don't have the time to put together a comparison. However, I'd wager real dollars that the state of Oregon sends a higher proportion of its 4* and 5* to programs out-of-state than states like Georgia, Louisiana, California, or even Washington. I truly believe there's a culture of 'If you're a big time recruit, you leave Oregon."

I went ahead and counted all of the composite 4 star and 5 star athletes that Oregon has produced over the past 10 years and where they ended up signing. There were 20 in total, which is not a good number to average out over a decade.

11 of those recruits signed at other schools (none of them in Georgia or Louisiana like you said) and 9 signed with Oregon. The number of high level recruits Oregon signed in state would have to be a lot lower to be considered a "culture" of big time recruits leaving the state.

If there's a in state school that has problems with getting top instate talent, it's Oregon State. They only signed one 4/5 recruit and that was Seumalo...and we all know why he ended up in Corvallis.

[QB11]

DD is a guy the Ducks can afford to lose talent and depth wise but as far as building a wall around the State and keeping the local kids here the coaches have a lot of work to do after losing another one, whether by choice or not. I believe there is only one current commit from the state for this class now? Considering there was a fair amount of talent for this year for the state, that's pathetic. The PK's did the right thing by pulling the trigger now before things got even worse. Seems like a good kid though so good luck to him wherever he goes.

Taking kids from Oregon just to "build a wall" is part of how we got here. We need to cherry pick the best and after Molden and Tuipolotu, Forsyth is the only other Oregon level kid. Just cause other kids go D1 doesn't mean they are "Oregon Level". We should be build a wall around the best talent in the state OSU and others can have the rest as far as I'm concerned.


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Taggart just offered that Pili kid. DT with offer from USC.

IMO that's a mistake I saw him play live and was super underwhelmed with his athleticism and motor.


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[Phenom]

It's weird because Joe S. didn't offer him at Wazzu according to 247's database.

[pdxduck2013]

Proportion of Oregon's 4*/5* (247 Composite) players who elected to go to OSU or UO.

2017: 0/2
2016: 2/2
2015: 0/1
2014: 0/3
2013: 2/3
2012: 2/2
2011: 1/2
2010: 1/3

8/18 (44%) stayed home during a period where Oregon was amazing, OSU was Ok, washington and USC were mostly terrible.

Proportion of Washington's 4*/5* players who elected to go to uw or WSU.

2017: 3/4 (Weddington excluded - uncommitted)
2016: 2/3
2015: 5/6
2014: 2/2
2013: 0/2
2012: 1/5
2011: 3/3
2010: 1/2

17/27 (63%)

That's a sizable gap.

Oklahoma (chosen because it also has more than 1 major in-state program, has similar quality in-state programs)

2017: 5/5
2016: 1/1
2015: 3/5
2014: 5/7
2013: 2/2
2012: 2/4
2011: 0/1
2010: 2/4

20/29 (69%)

I neither agree nor disagree with what you're saying, but a list of player names and where they eventually went would be helpful to go along with this analysis, to understand the context. For example, kids from Jesuit picking a college that is highly ranked academically instead of Oregon should not be a knock on the Ducks. Or a kid moving here in high school going elsewhere should not either.

[DuckedOut]

Proportion of Oregon's 4*/5* (247 Composite) players who elected to go to OSU or UO.

2017: 0/2
2016: 2/2
2015: 0/1
2014: 0/3
2013: 2/3
2012: 2/2
2011: 1/2
2010: 1/3

8/18 (44%) stayed home during a period where Oregon was amazing, OSU was Ok, washington and USC were mostly terrible.

Proportion of Washington's 4*/5* players who elected to go to uw or WSU.

2017: 3/4 (Weddington excluded - uncommitted)
2016: 2/3
2015: 5/6
2014: 2/2
2013: 0/2
2012: 1/5
2011: 3/3
2010: 1/2

17/27 (63%)

That's a sizable gap.

Oklahoma (chosen because it also has more than 1 major in-state program, has similar quality in-state programs)

2017: 5/5
2016: 1/1
2015: 3/5
2014: 5/7
2013: 2/2
2012: 2/4
2011: 0/1
2010: 2/4

20/29 (69%)

I neither agree nor disagree with what you're saying, but a list of player names and where they eventually went would be helpful to go along with this analysis, to understand the context. For example, kids from Jesuit picking a college that is highly ranked academically instead of Oregon should not be a knock on the Ducks. Or a kid moving here in high school going elsewhere should not either.

If I've counted correctly, three schools have signed 2 4/5 star recruits from Oregon since 2010.

Stanford: Cam Scarlett, Joey Alfieri

Cal: Brendan Scarlett, Gabe King

Washington: Molden, Tuipulotu

BYU, ASU, and UCLA all got 1. To me, that doesn't sound like outside schools are just raiding Oregon like crazy to get high level recruits. A couple of those guys Oregon didn't even get involved with until it was too late.

[Phenom]

Didn't we also pass on Cam Scarlett and Gabe King?

Not sure if we offered the one who went to BYU or ASU.

[StevensTechU]

I neither agree nor disagree with what you're saying, but a list of player names and where they eventually went would be helpful to go along with this analysis, to understand the context. For example, kids from Jesuit picking a college that is highly ranked academically instead of Oregon should not be a knock on the Ducks. Or a kid moving here in high school going elsewhere should not either.

Agreed that it would be helpful. However, that's a lot of time poured in, because if you're going to do that with the Oregonians then you need to do it for the Washingtonians and Oklahomans, too, for proper context. To me, I don't think it's a reach to say that Oregon's in-state recruiting practices (slow playing, passing on kids, etc.) probably aren't all that different than the places being compared to. It's an assumption, though.