Phenom wrote:I disagree about McNeal. He is explosive and helped build the hype for the Florida kids. He was a great recruiter.
If we only sign Burch, Judson, Scott and McNeal out of Florida is that really worth the scholarship for his recruiting? Just my opinion, but Scott is the only one I would be excited about and would actually get us to the place of being able to win a NC, which should always be the goal in recruiting from my perspective.
That is a short-sighted view of things. This is how you build relationships with players and coaches. Plus, as I've stated before, the only one I don't think deserves an offer is Burch.
I think Judson has the potential to be a poor mans Byron Marshall. He can play the slot or RB and moves well for his weight. He was once a commit to Ohio St and has offers from pretty much every school. He definitely isn't a fallback guy. I don't think he will have as much of an impact as Marshall did but he will have a nice career when it's all said and done.
Phenom wrote:I disagree about McNeal. He is explosive and helped build the hype for the Florida kids. He was a great recruiter.
If we only sign Burch, Judson, Scott and McNeal out of Florida is that really worth the scholarship for his recruiting? Just my opinion, but Scott is the only one I would be excited about and would actually get us to the place of being able to win a NC, which should always be the goal in recruiting from my perspective.
That is a short-sighted view of things. This is how you build relationships with players and coaches. Plus, as I've stated before, the only one I don't think deserves an offer is Burch.
The others' offer lists speak for themselves.
Listen, I get where you are coming from, but taking 3 players that don't belong on the field of a NC contender just to build relationships with coaches at schools you won't pull from again for a year or two at best is pretty wasteful in my opinion. As much as Judson has an outstanding offer list, he is deciding between Oregon, Oregon State and Nebraska. Pretty sure he wouldn't be dining that if those were committable offers. Same with Scott and McNeal. We took McNeal from Arizona, and Scott got passed over by Louisville and Ole Miss. There aren't many 6'1" 350 lbs players that can burst off the line like he does. Especially not in the NW.
So you're saying we should just take 4* and up? I would love that, but that's not realistic...yet. I think the coaches would love that too. Hell, not even all of Bama's starters (much less players) are NC contender caliber.
coaches make evalutions based on their knowledge and expierence. If a player fits what they are
looking for then i trust them.. These players are most likely going to be a year or two away. There ranking
really is all it is.. When looking at Marcus Mariota's tape you didnt see a championship calibur player. You saw
someone that if he worked hard might have a chance. Hell he redshirted first year then battled it our with Nate Costa.
Look how he turned out. And Taggert has not had anytime to get going. Give him a year. He has said over and over
championships is why he is here. But you dont do it in a monthes time..
karlhungis wrote:Judson must be doing something right because I don't see how a 5'9 guy running a 4.7 really fits on the team.
I don't get either Burch nor Judson. Neither are elite, Burch runs a 4.6 and had a sparq of 91. There are 30 of these kids a year Oregon can sign, why not save the scholarships and sign one next year if we miss on better options?
i'm not stoked about either, but you can never have too many athletes. Additionally, if some of these guys don't get playing time in a year or two and don't pan out, there's a good chance they transfer.
I have a feeling guys like Burch probably wouldn't have been offered in a full recruiting cycle with Taggart at Oregon.
Taggart is trying to find guys at the last minute. Most players are locked in on a few schools before Taggart even stepped in the door. Very few players are deciding in the last 3 week push anymore. Notice all the players who are hot on us are USF/Florida guys? The new staff will need a year to build relationships. We need so many players, and we have so little time. Taking what's available. I think Judson will be a good player.
Phenom wrote:So you're saying we should just take 4* and up? I would love that, but that's not realistic...yet. I think the coaches would love that too. Hell, not even all of Bama's starters (much less players) are NC contender caliber.
Never did I say anything about stars. Felix is a great pickup, so is Scott. Judson has decent size, but is slow and unathletic. Neither Burch nor McNeal are game changing players like even Huff. A poor man's Marshall was a great comparison I think. A good player that fills a role but isn't ever the star player. These guys could be that, but so could a handful of players next year. The fact these guys are visiting the last weekend shows even the coaches have higher players on the board. Why not hold these scholarships for the class you have a whole year to fill, instead of a month. If they still miss on those guys then Burch and Judson will still be there, just under different names. Those guys won't win us any games next year, so why waste it just to have a couple more backup slot receivers that probably get passed up by more talented players in the future? Of course you need to settle at Oregon, but settle next year when you give yourself a good chance. Don't waste just because WT had a relationship with them before. IMO
Phenom wrote:So you're saying we should just take 4* and up? I would love that, but that's not realistic...yet. I think the coaches would love that too. Hell, not even all of Bama's starters (much less players) are NC contender caliber.
Never did I say anything about stars. Felix is a great pickup, so is Scott. Judson has decent size, but is slow and unathletic. Neither Burch nor McNeal are game changing players like even Huff. A poor man's Marshall was a great comparison I think. A good player that fills a role but isn't ever the star player. These guys could be that, but so could a handful of players next year. The fact these guys are visiting the last weekend shows even the coaches have higher players on the board. Why not hold these scholarships for the class you have a whole year to fill, instead of a month. If they still miss on those guys then Burch and Judson will still be there, just under different names. Those guys won't win us any games next year, so why waste it just to have a couple more backup slot receivers that probably get passed up by more talented players in the future? Of course you need to settle at Oregon, but settle next year when you give yourself a good chance. Don't waste just because WT had a relationship with them before. IMO
Taggart obviously doesn't see them as players to "settle for". That's why he offered them relatively early.
I also laugh at your "not even Huff". Huff is the best WR we've had here in the last 10+ years.
UOducksTK1 wrote:
I have a feeling guys like Burch probably wouldn't have been offered in a full recruiting cycle with Taggart at Oregon.
This is the main point I am getting at. They wouldn't be offered if Taggart had been here all year, so why settle now. Taggart claimed there were players lining up to come to Oregon, so if he actually believes that go get them and don't waste scholarships on guys that will probably transfer in a couple years.
Also, you can have to many athletes on a team. Especially when you are limited to 85 scholarships, just look at 2014. We didn't lose to tOSU because we had too few Judsons. Save them or stock up on the Faolius of the world that aren't for sure players but if they pan out they fill a huge need.
P. S. Just want to say thanks for the discussion. I got banned from DT by Matt because I was arguing with the trolls too much. Nice to have a place where I can actually talk football again and not just deal with flame wars all the time.
Phenom wrote:
Taggart obviously doesn't see them as players to "settle for". That's why he offered them relatively early.
I also laugh at your "not even Huff". Huff is the best WR we've had here in the last 10+ years.
He offered them at USF not here. He just said they were still welcome to come with him. Bit of a difference. And Huff was the most productive, wouldn't say best. Just like Maehl wasn't the second best receiver we have had here.
Edit: but you are right, how about they won't even be a Marshall? Bit better? Huff is a great slot receiver, but there is a better pure WR in Carrington right now. Other with more potential because of their size as well.
Phenom wrote:
Taggart obviously doesn't see them as players to "settle for". That's why he offered them relatively early.
I also laugh at your "not even Huff". Huff is the best WR we've had here in the last 10+ years.
He offered them at USF not here. He just said they were still welcome to come with him. Bit of a difference. And Huff was the most productive, wouldn't say best. Just like Maehl wasn't the second best receiver we have had here.
Edit: but you are right, how about they won't even be a Marshall? Bit better? Huff is a great slot receiver, but there is a better pure WR in Carrington right now. Other with more potential because of their size as well.
Potential doesn't mean anything if you don't play up to it. Carrington has the best pro potential, but he hasn't made the jump mentally. I hope he does. He's tremendously talented and is actually a good guy. None of these guys have been as productive as Huff and he was PLENTY talented as well. It's why he's stuck around in the NFL even though he hasn't been very productive there.
Phenom wrote:
Potential doesn't mean anything if you don't play up to it. Carrington has the best pro potential, but he hasn't made the jump mentally. I hope he does. He's tremendously talented and is actually a good guy. None of these guys have been as productive as Huff and he was PLENTY talented as well. It's why he's stuck around in the NFL even though he hasn't been very productive there.
Huff had a really good year in 2013, under some circumstances that were beneficial to his numbers, but even with that if Carrington has a good year next year, 850+ yards, he is the career yard leader for Oregon and top 10 in TD depending on the number of those. Both are reasonable to consider happening given the QB and depth at WR next year. So production isn't going to be an issue for Carrington, even missing 6 games as sophomore and giving up on 2016.
