Grizzlies / Hawks

[offtheheezy]

Grizzlies Send:
Detlef Schrempf
World B. Free
Mirza Delibasic
Rickey Green
Spurs 86 1st

Hawks Send:
Otis Birdsong
Lorenzo Romar
Rick Carlisle

Birdsong was the best player I could get while keeping both the Pacers/Wolves 1st which I hope will be higher this year. Thanks to everyone who submitted offers, appreciate the time!

Lister and Birdsong reunited and both expire at the same time as Stockton. I'll be in a bit of a tricky situation cap wise for the next couple of years but not having bird rights on World B. Free or Rickey Green makes it hard for me to keep either player moving forward as well, along with already not having enough cap space for an impact player in FA this upcoming year.

Hawks need 1 cut for the trade.

[vincent1469]

I’m both confused and intrigued by the Grizzlies lol

[lukeyrid13]

Grizzlies are looking solid now.

If Schrempf blows up it's a fine haul for the Hawks. Otherwise it's just a collection of minor assets.

[the goat]

Pretty cheap for the Grizzlies, who seem to have gotten good overnight.

[offtheheezy]

I’m both confused and intrigued by the Grizzlies lol

What’s confusing?

[vincent1469]

I’m both confused and intrigued by the Grizzlies lol

What’s confusing?

Haha ig I didnt expect in one day for you to flip your youth into a contending team lmao

[Marzeial]

Grizzlies are looking solid now.

If Schrempf blows up it's a fine haul for the Hawks. Otherwise it's just a collection of minor assets.

Accepted. Cut Wright

Banking on Schrempf being good. Since he has a ton of upside and is in his first year. I think he's going to be a good one.

I liked him plus the Spurs 1st better than the two firsts I was offered by a couple teams since they would have been later choices. Way more value to me. I know I wasn't going to be able to pry out that Pacers pick but I'm hoping for some misfortune for the Spurs

Plus I'm OK with committing to my young guys and figuring out what I have in this logjam of youth at the 3.

[offtheheezy]

Grizzlies are looking solid now.

If Schrempf blows up it's a fine haul for the Hawks. Otherwise it's just a collection of minor assets.

Accepted. Cut Wright

Banking on Schrempf being good. Since he has a ton of upside and is in his first year. I think he's going to be a good one.

I liked him plus the Spurs 1st better than the two firsts I was offered by a couple teams since they would have been later choices. Way more value to me. I know I wasn't going to be able to pry out that Pacers pick but I'm hoping for some misfortune for the Spurs

Plus I'm OK with committing to my young guys and figuring out what I have in this logjam of youth at the 3.

Yeah, I still like Schrempf - the way I see it is basically by the time he turns out to be good I’ll be so tight on cap space that I wouldn’t be able to improve my team. Giving myself a 3 year window

[UOducksTK1]

Like it for Grizz.

[dd10snoop28]

A bust and mid-first for Birdsong.

The rebuilding teams are doing a bad job in getting value for their all-league players.

[Cellar-door]

A bust and mid-first for Birdsong.

The rebuilding teams are doing a bad job in getting value for their all-league players.

Not 100% that Schrempf is a bust, but even then, I think he needed to hold out for Pacers 1st, or at the very least a future pick or two because Schrempf has a low floor.

[Marzeial]

A bust and mid-first for Birdsong.

The rebuilding teams are doing a bad job in getting value for their all-league players.

Not 100% that Schrempf is a bust, but even then, I think he needed to hold out for Pacers 1st, or at the very least a future pick or two because Schrempf has a low floor.

So we're labeling a rookie that was drafted #3 a bust already? I actually think his upside is better than what either of you two are giving him credit for but what do I know?

I've had these trade conversations for Birdsong the past few years and I feel as though I understand the value of my players.

Would I rather bet on the upside of Schrempf and a 15ish pick with upside, or take a late first next year, and a late first the following year from the teams towards the top of the food chain? To me that's a no brainer. I wouldn't have been able to pry the Pacers pick out of him and none of the other teams that would be picking higher had any interest in making a move for Birdsong.

[lukeyrid13]

There’s no rush to trade him quite yet though. 80 more days til the deadline

Schrempf had a -1 first TC

He could still be good, but not a sure thing

[dd10snoop28]

A bust and mid-first for Birdsong.

The rebuilding teams are doing a bad job in getting value for their all-league players.

Not 100% that Schrempf is a bust, but even then, I think he needed to hold out for Pacers 1st, or at the very least a future pick or two because Schrempf has a low floor.

So we're labeling a rookie that was drafted #3 a bust already? I actually think his upside is better than what either of you two are giving him credit for but what do I know?

I've had these trade conversations for Birdsong the past few years and I feel as though I understand the value of my players.

Would I rather bet on the upside of Schrempf and a 15ish pick with upside, or take a late first next year, and a late first the following year from the teams towards the top of the food chain? To me that's a no brainer. I wouldn't have been able to pry the Pacers pick out of him and none of the other teams that would be picking higher had any interest in making a move for Birdsong.

Not for sure, but -1 first TC is definitely a sign that he is a bust.

I would have suggested to go the future pick route. Competing teams are willing to trade picks in the future for ability to win now..

[Cellar-door]

A bust and mid-first for Birdsong.

The rebuilding teams are doing a bad job in getting value for their all-league players.

Not 100% that Schrempf is a bust, but even then, I think he needed to hold out for Pacers 1st, or at the very least a future pick or two because Schrempf has a low floor.

So we're labeling a rookie that was drafted #3 a bust already? I actually think his upside is better than what either of you two are giving him credit for but what do I know?

I've had these trade conversations for Birdsong the past few years and I feel as though I understand the value of my players.

Would I rather bet on the upside of Schrempf and a 15ish pick with upside, or take a late first next year, and a late first the following year from the teams towards the top of the food chain? To me that's a no brainer. I wouldn't have been able to pry the Pacers pick out of him and none of the other teams that would be picking higher had any interest in making a move for Birdsong.

I get the thought, though I think if not Pacers you should have gotten multiple picks. We're 3 sims in, you had time to move Birdsong.

For Schrempf, I don't think he's a bust, but part of the reason he went #3 (probably a mini-reach) was the idea that he had quick potential. He didn't develop his first year, a bad sign, and his notes were that he might have limitations on his physical stats (quickness/strength). I think he's got a chance to be good, but at the same time think you could have held out for more value.