lukeyrid13 wrote:There’s no rush to trade him quite yet though. 80 more days til the deadline
Schrempf had a -1 first TC
He could still be good, but not a sure thing
While that's true, moving Birdsong earlier and securing a higher pick for themselves is probably a better move depending on the likelihood that you think you will get a better deal moving forward. If the only suitors for Birdsong would be offering picks that Birdsong himself would make worse, then it makes sense even if you don't think you got full value. Making your pick higher by sending him out earlier is more valuable than having a middle pick for your own team and then getting more late future firsts.
I was unwilling to move future picks beyond that of the 3 year horizon that I've set up for my team (plus I don't even think we are allowed to), in which case I still think betting on Schrempf would be a better than two late 1sts in the next 3 years.
dd10snoop28 wrote:A bust and mid-first for Birdsong.
The rebuilding teams are doing a bad job in getting value for their all-league players.
Not 100% that Schrempf is a bust, but even then, I think he needed to hold out for Pacers 1st, or at the very least a future pick or two because Schrempf has a low floor.
So we're labeling a rookie that was drafted #3 a bust already? I actually think his upside is better than what either of you two are giving him credit for but what do I know?
I've had these trade conversations for Birdsong the past few years and I feel as though I understand the value of my players.
Would I rather bet on the upside of Schrempf and a 15ish pick with upside, or take a late first next year, and a late first the following year from the teams towards the top of the food chain? To me that's a no brainer. I wouldn't have been able to pry the Pacers pick out of him and none of the other teams that would be picking higher had any interest in making a move for Birdsong.
Not for sure, but -1 first TC is definitely a sign that he is a bust.
I would have suggested to go the future pick route. Competing teams are willing to trade picks in the future for ability to win now..
Ya it's not ideal. However, I could still see him as a starter one day. But more of a late lottery value instead of #3 pick at this point. I think that's fair to say.
Birdsong is underrated while being a top 5 SG IMO, for the Grizzlies to pick up that talent is a nice haul.
If this trade happened at the draft, i.e, #3 and future pick (spurs) for Birdsong I would say thats an even trade maybe even very good value for the Hawks so lets have that perspective. Detlef didnt have a good TC but he still has upside and if the Hawks are going to have a mini rebuild (trading old players) then acquiring young talent makes sense to see what they have in 2/3 years time when they look to have something. They clear some cap space moving forward while accumulating talent.
