Pretty blunt assessment from Morgan Flint

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OregonFan4Life wrote:
Tray Dub wrote:I don't know who Morgan Flint is but I hate the moral grandstanding when a player gets flak for playing poorly.
I don’t think it was that fans were upset but it was misdirected criticism, seems to me he thinks the blame/criticism should’ve been directed to the coaches, not Brown, which I agree with.
Nothing in his post indicates that.
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Not a fan of this offense, but if that is what Oregon was going to run, I think Bryan Bennett would have been interesting in it.
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AB13-
Regardless of whether we agree that those QB’s were worse than Brown, it’s important to note that Kelly/Helf had the kahunas to bench every one of them due to poor play and give another guy a chance. Not the case with MC/Brown/Shough (until the bowl game).


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whosyourwally wrote:AB13-
Regardless of whether we agree that those QB’s were worse than Brown, it’s important to note that Kelly/Helf had the kahunas to bench every one of them due to poor play and give another guy a chance. Not the case with MC/Brown/Shough (until the bowl game).


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Who did Helf and Kelly bench? Kelly didn’t bench anyone at QB that I can remember.
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whosyourwally wrote:AB13-
Regardless of whether we agree that those QB’s were worse than Brown, it’s important to note that Kelly/Helf had the kahunas to bench every one of them due to poor play and give another guy a chance. Not the case with MC/Brown/Shough (until the bowl game).


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Who did Helf and Kelly bench? Kelly didn’t bench anyone at QB that I can remember.
Each of those QBs were replaced by one of Masoli, Thomas, Adams, or Herbert.

Kelly was dancing with Kempt and Roper at the end of ‘07 after DD and Brady Leaf went down (and Roper’s Sunbowl performance was incredible, given how far he’d come since the regular season ended).
Those two, Harper, and Thomas were competing with Masoli in ‘08. Masoli beat out the pack and then got kicked off the team after the season. Thomas took over in ‘09. Kelly facilitated an open competition and didn’t blindly send the same ineffective QB out there again and again.

Prukop was replaced mid-season with FR Herbert.


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If you think that AB was one of the worst duck QBs and don't know who Morgan Flint was, you are probably not a hardcore fan ;-)
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73duck wrote:If you think that AB was one of the worst duck QBs and don't know who Morgan Flint was, you are probably not a hardcore fan ;-)
I do believe and it is my opinion AB is one of the worse QB’s the Ducks have had in since I have watched the Ducks (84), in my book he ranks near the bottom of my rankings. I can’t remember multiple receivers showing frustration during a game because he couldn’t keep the ball off the ground or well over their heads. While he had a few good runs most of the time he was hesitant to chose a hole and shuffled his feet until he was tackled for a loss or short gain. Again coaches should have yanked him in several games and develop a young QB.

Morgan flint, I don’t know every walk on or even every past roster member for the Ducks. I don’t that is what is required to be a hard core Duck fan.
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Alan wrote:
73duck wrote:If you think that AB was one of the worst duck QBs and don't know who Morgan Flint was, you are probably not a hardcore fan ;-)
I do believe and it is my opinion AB is one of the worse QB’s the Ducks have had in since I have watched the Ducks (84), in my book he ranks near the bottom of my rankings. I can’t remember multiple receivers showing frustration during a game because he couldn’t keep the ball off the ground or well over their heads. While he had a few good runs most of the time he was hesitant to chose a hole and shuffled his feet until he was tackled for a loss or short gain. Again coaches should have yanked him in several games and develop a young QB.

Morgan flint, I don’t know every walk on or even every past roster member for the Ducks. I don’t that is what is required to be a hard core Duck fan.
Morgan Flint was the kicker from 2006-2008. He was not a walk on.


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The only thing I know about Morgan Flint is what has been said here the last few days. I wasn’t referring to him as a walk on I was trying to emphasize the point of remembering every player on the roster from the past. Anyway time for me to drop this, I don’t know or care who Morgan Flint is or was.
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Nothing about Ropers sun bowl was phenomenal, that was all the OL and Snoop. How do people forget that?
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Duck07 wrote:Nothing about Ropers sun bowl was phenomenal, that was all the OL and Snoop. How do people forget that?

Roper was terrible, and only played because of the unfortunate knee injury to DD. If a guy transfers down, and still can’t start, he isn’t a good QB.
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I'm honestly shocked by how many Duck fans don't remember Morgan Flint. He was probably one of the more reliable kickers we've had over the past 20 years.

He's generally right about fans booing our own team -- it's not a good look -- but, I've got to admit, I couldn't be happier to see the Anthony Brown era come to an end.

I actually watched the game at my brother's new place here in the Portland area. I brought my son (16 months now!), and midway through the third when it became clear we weren't going to stage a miracle comeback, I said we'd leave at the start of the fourth if Brown was still under center. The fourth quarter came, Brown went in, and I said, "OK, we're out! Happy last day of Anthony Brown!" Everybody laughed. :lol: And we really did leave, because at that point getting my son to bed a little bit sooner was far more worthwhile than watching another minute of the AB Show.

Cristobal was probably the biggest problem. He clearly limited how often the offense was allowed to take shots down the field. Also, my mind is still blown that the coaches didn't find ways to get other QBs live game reps. It shouldn't have been difficult, and yet here we are. Our backups still have extremely little experience going into next season and we finished this season without a Pac-12 championship, a few bad losses, and a bowl loss. There would have been zero harm in doing something different and yet the coaches refused to even try.

Brown isn't the worst QB we've ever had (we've seen much worse in recent years) but I think what made this past season so frustrating was how the coaches just shoved him down everyone's throats without giving anyone else a chance to do better. It was just one year, but man, it really did feel like an era -- a slow, painful era.

Respects to Morgan Flint, and I do hate booing, but I'm thankful for the fresh start.
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Speaking for myself, I think kickers are one of the harder positions to remember past players, probably because of player time, number of plays on the field.
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Alan wrote:Speaking for myself, I think kickers are one of the harder positions to remember past players, probably because of player time, number of plays on the field.
Personally I'd like to forget Maldonado
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Alan wrote:Speaking for myself, I think kickers are one of the harder positions to remember past players, probably because of player time, number of plays on the field.
The one I really remember was Jared Siegel. I remember watching him boom kicks in warm-ups when I was a kid holding our seats in general admission. Guy had a hell of a leg.
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