Pretty blunt assessment from Morgan Flint

[whosyourwally]

Nothing about Ropers sun bowl was phenomenal, that was all the OL and Snoop. How do people forget that?

4 TD’s, 0 INT’s

Not saying he was anything special, but for one game, CK schemed the absolute best out of him. And compared to how terrible Roper has been prior, it was pretty incredible to watch.


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[dthomas=ddixon]

My kicker list starts and ends with Josh Frankel. Though Siegel coming in and kicking the winner against SC was one of my favorite Autzen moments. His 59 yarder at UCLA was also epic.


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[Duck07]

Nothing about Ropers sun bowl was phenomenal, that was all the OL and Snoop. How do people forget that?

4 TD’s, 0 INT’s

Not saying he was anything special, but for one game, CK schemed the absolute best out of him. And compared to how terrible Roper has been prior, it was pretty incredible to watch.


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Oregon averaged 8.2 yards a carry that game to 6 yards every pass. Anyone who remembers that game with any clarity knows that it was the Offensive Line clearing canyons for Stewart to have a career day and a team total over 350 on the ground.

I hear this refrain often about Roper in the Sun Bowl and it really obscures what went on the field that day as USF couldn't hold up against our OL at all and a good number of his throws were screens. If we had that level of OL play for AB this year Morgan Flint wouldn't have made those tweets to begin with.

[alxtw]

People and players shouldn't take the booing personal. Fans aren't booing AB. AB seems like a great person and gives 110% every game. But he's one of the worst full season starting QBs in Oregon history. Fans are booing AB's horrible play, inconsistency, and decision making on the field. Players should take the booing as an indication and fuel/fire to get better, not shrivel up in the corner and hid/complain/make excuses. Coaches should also take the booing as their failure to evaluate, develop, adjust, and scheme better players.
Perhaps back in the 20th century, when we'd be happy to make it to a bowl game, we wouldn't boo terrible qbs. That was also a completely different fan base back then. But expectations are much higher nowadays and fans think/expect the team to make the CFP every year. I'll be first to admit that ducks football success in the past 10-15 has changed my mindset of just happy beating PAC10 blue blood programs to needing to make it into the CFP every year. Not to mention many younger die hard fans started following Oregon in the chip Kelly era. So they're used to great success and haven't experienced many disasters.

[GrandpaDuck]

Kickers are actually the players most frequently booed by college fans. They tend as a group to be sensitive to fan booing because of it. I don't think Flint was ever booed himself. He was a breath of fresh air when he came in as a kicker because he consistently made the easy kicks unlike his predecessors.

I don't buy that the majority of fans were booing the coaches alone. Just read the game threads on the boards.

The funny thing is the target of the criticism is largely misplaced. People are usually critical of Brown and/or MC, but the primary person responsible for AB being out there is Morehead. AB is actually a good passer for a Morehead QB. Check out who he played at Mississippi State both years. Run first QBs with much worse passing than AB. That's why without MC, AB still played the whole bowl game. Morehead's last starting QB was moved to WR by the new coach after Morehead was gone. While MC's overriding offensive philosophies and O-line preferences are in my opinion a hinderance to the offense, This offense is no more run heavy, RPO with a QB run option than Morehead ran at Mississippi State where he had full control.

And on the subject of booing college players at the stadium it sucks and unless you hold up a big sign that says "I'm booing the Coach not the player" the vast majority of people including the players think you are booing them. It's best to keep booing where it belongs, here on small message boards not frequented by players or their parents.

BOOOOOOOOO MC, BOOOOOOOO Morehead !!! {Ah that felt good}

[whosyourwally]

Nothing about Ropers sun bowl was phenomenal, that was all the OL and Snoop. How do people forget that?

4 TD’s, 0 INT’s

Not saying he was anything special, but for one game, CK schemed the absolute best out of him. And compared to how terrible Roper has been prior, it was pretty incredible to watch.


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Oregon averaged 8.2 yards a carry that game to 6 yards every pass. Anyone who remembers that game with any clarity knows that it was the Offensive Line clearing canyons for Stewart to have a career day and a team total over 350 on the ground.

I hear this refrain often about Roper in the Sun Bowl and it really obscures what went on the field that day as USF couldn't hold up against our OL at all and a good number of his throws were screens. If we had that level of OL play for AB this year Morgan Flint wouldn't have made those tweets to begin with.

What’s your point?
Roper executed against USF at a high level, because he was put in a position to succeed. It was notable progress from previous games. Development. Whether the coaches developed Roper, the game around Roper, or both, that sort of coaching competence was sorely missed this year and last. Our QB position has been a consistent liability for two straight seasons, whereas Kelly and Co. turned a 4th string QB into a serviceable piece of the offense in 3 games.


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[droop10]

Nothing about Ropers sun bowl was phenomenal, that was all the OL and Snoop. How do people forget that?

4 TD’s, 0 INT’s

Not saying he was anything special, but for one game, CK schemed the absolute best out of him. And compared to how terrible Roper has been prior, it was pretty incredible to watch.


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Oregon averaged 8.2 yards a carry that game to 6 yards every pass. Anyone who remembers that game with any clarity knows that it was the Offensive Line clearing canyons for Stewart to have a career day and a team total over 350 on the ground.

I hear this refrain often about Roper in the Sun Bowl and it really obscures what went on the field that day as USF couldn't hold up against our OL at all and a good number of his throws were screens. If we had that level of OL play for AB this year Morgan Flint wouldn't have made those tweets to begin with.

What’s your point?
Roper executed against USF at a high level, because he was put in a position to succeed. It was notable progress from previous games. Development. Whether the coaches developed Roper, the game around Roper, or both, that sort of coaching competence was sorely missed this year and last. Our QB position has been a consistent liability for two straight seasons, whereas Kelly and Co. turned a 4th string QB into a serviceable piece of the offense in 3 games.


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I think the point here is sample size. You’re taking 1 good performance and calling it development. If you took some of Brown’s games in a vacuum and looked at them, you’d be able to say the same. Take for instance the Ohio St. game. It had me briefly thinking I was wrong about him last year. What happened to all of Roper’s development the next season when they had a whole offseason to continue to develop him and he was benched a few games into the season? Saying Brown was not a serviceable piece is a stretch though. People are really over exaggerating how bad he was, and I say that as someone who will continue to vouch for the fact that they sold have stuck with Shough over him. Yes, he clearly had limitations that prevented them from being a playoff caliber team, but a liability doesn’t take a team to 10 wins. With all of the injuries this year, I think this roster maxed out its potential. Still a very young roster.

[GoDucksTroll]

To whoever said that Chip and Helf didn’t bench QBs:

2008 was still Bellotti but Justin Roper was the opening day starter. He got knocked out in the season opener against Washington and Masoli came in. But then Roper stared the next two games and got hurt against Purdue in OT after a crappy game - Masoli took over the job.

In 2012 they made the choice to start Mariota over Bennett and it was closer than revisionist history makes people think. And the reason they were making that choice is because Darron Thomas left since he knew his starting spot wasn’t guaranteed. Despite the stellar starting record.

2016 Prukop gets benched for Herbert. Prukop wasn’t too bad, but Helf was trying to save everything and build for the future. He should have probably started Herbert from the get go but he knew what would happen: there was no four game redshirt rule in 2016 and be burned Herbert’s on a meaningless hand off drive at the end of the season opener.

Tyler Shough might have been the starter, but it sounds like he butted heads and wasn’t going to battle for the job. At the time I was certain that Brown would be better but now I’m not sure. If it makes sense I think we lose to Ohio State with Shough but we blow out the teams in some of the closer games, including Stanford. Brown was more clutch and less error prone but Shough could throw it a lot better. I’m split on who I would take. Brown in the fourth quarter but Shough in the first.

[Everythingsducky]

In 2020, Shough threw 13 TD’s with 6 picks. I can’t remember how many more INT’s were dropped by defenders, or hit them in the face masks. Should have had many more. If your are looking for the ‘prettier’ thrower, sure. But his decision making was no better than AB.

[droop10]

In 2020, Shough threw 13 TD’s with 6 picks. I can’t remember how many more INT’s were dropped by defenders, or hit them in the face masks. Should have had many more. If your are looking for the ‘prettier’ thrower, sure. But his decision making was no better than AB.

Decision making is easier to fix than accuracy. I’ve seen numerous articles where coaches/GMs mention that accuracy is the hardest thing to improve on a QB. A lot of Shough’s struggles were confidence/mental struggles rather than physical ability. That can be improved through repetition and experience. There are some things you can do to improve a guy’s accuracy, like footwork and whatnot, but touch/arm strength isn’t as easy.

Shough is the primary use case for Oregon fan impatience. All year fans insisted they’d rather see a young guy play and work through struggles than watch Brown, but in that exact situation last year, everyone was calling to bench Shough for Brown the second he started to struggle. The counter argument seems to always be that he had been at Oregon on the bench for 2 years, ignoring that it was in a different system and that he had little game experience, which those same people argue will now be the downfall of the other young guys.

[buckmarkduck]

Shough didn’t look any better at TT. Why is anyone thinking he would have been good? Fact is our coaches wiffed on QB recruiting in 17,18,and 19. If they didn’t get lucky with Herbert being a few blocks away, it’s possible we would have been stuck with 4 years of Terry Wilson, who isn’t any better than Brown

[GrandpaDuck]

In 2020, Shough threw 13 TD’s with 6 picks. I can’t remember how many more INT’s were dropped by defenders, or hit them in the face masks. Should have had many more. If your are looking for the ‘prettier’ thrower, sure. But his decision making was no better than AB.

Brown's biggest strength was not throwing Interceptions, but A) he was playing in his ~10th? year, where Shough was starting his first with no spring camp and an abbreviated fall camp. B) Brown checked down anything over the middle if there was a defender within 10 yards. C) A lot of Brown's misses were worm killers, those are less likely to be intercepted. I would guess, without reviewing a ton of film to prove it, that Brown killed a lot more drives by checking down on third down than the difference in interceptions.

Shough's first year starting YPG 222 Rating 160.4 TD 13 INT 6 Comp% 63.5
Brown's first year starting.. YPG 151 Rating 103.5 TD 11 INT 9 Comp% 51.9

Shough's 2nd year starting YPG 218 Rating 164.2 TD 6 INT 3 Comp% 69.6
Brown's 2nd year starting. YPG 177 Rating 134.8 TD 20 INT 9 Comp% 55.4

It wasn't until Brown's 12th game as a starter that he started getting his interceptions under control, Shough has started 11 in 2 years. He sat a year watching Herbert make throws into coverages that no college QB should get away with. Trying to make the throws Herbert did is a poor example for mere humans to emulate. Gotta believe he would learn with more experience and familiarity with his teammates as a starter.

[droop10]

Shough didn’t look any better at TT. Why is anyone thinking he would have been good? Fact is our coaches wiffed on QB recruiting in 17,18,and 19. If they didn’t get lucky with Herbert being a few blocks away, it’s possible we would have been stuck with 4 years of Terry Wilson, who isn’t any better than Brown

You got that from the 3 games he played this season on a mediocre team? They went 3-0, including beating a top 20 Houston team in his first 3 starts, then lost his 4th start, in which he got injured in the first quarter, so hard to hold that loss against him (along with a defense giving up 70 points). He did have a shaky game against SFA, but was fine in the other 2 games. That Texas Tech team finished the regular season 3-5 after his injury, so it was hardly brimming with talent. He’s a better QB than Oregon fans are willing to give him credit for, and I think it’ll show in time. Did he struggle in 2020? Absolutely, but fans tend to overlook the obstacles he faced as a first time starter, with the lack of offseason in a new system and the weirdness of having a season canceled and then suddenly brought back.