Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment

[lmduck]

Crow as he comes off as clueless about the importance of money/resources and seems like he doesn't even care whether teams in the conference compete at the highest levels of CFB.

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Who is Crow?


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The doofus president of ASU who kept saying Larry Scott was doing a good job and pushed to keep him for as long as they did. Him, OSU's Ed Ray, and UCLA's Gene Block enabled Scott to do what he did for a decade.

That's right. I could not remember. And how could we forget Ed Ray buddying up with Larry.


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[greenyellow]

Pretty accurate depiction of the Pac-12/ACC alliance rumors:

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[lukeyrid13]

Coming in late, but for my $0.02, I'd like to see the PAC bunker down, look to add quality programs (if any at all) and rule the west coast. Losing UCLA isn't a real big deal. If we do it right, play quality non-conference games... I think we can still have a conference that gets some respect. I'm not wild about seeing 2 super conferences. As to leaving the NCAA, that's ok, but if teams do then pure lawlessness will follow. If anyone thinks NIL is ruining college football, wait until there are no rules and whet that may involve.

Unless that involved some type of raiding of the Big12, I don't think that's a viable option.

Adding: Boise, Fresno, San Diego St and Colorado St does little to our national brand and longevity as a conference.

I don't want the PAC to fall apart, but if it were to continue, it would need to add more like: Baylor, Ok St, BYU, Texas Tech & the Kansas schools.

Even those 6 aren't a great pull.

[pezsez1]

The Pac-12 looks so feeble right now. I get it that there aren't many "good" solutions for the conference. The SEC and B1G really hold all the cards -- they're going to strike massive media deals that allow them to continue pulling away from everyone else. But damn, whoever leaked the term "loose partnership" should be fired immediately. I mean, here's the B1G ripping the Pac's balls off like it's Mortal Kombat, and what's our best response? "We're forming a loose partnership with the ACC!"

I just hope we don't have to wait too long to see how this shakes out. This is pretty painful, though. I take some comfort in knowning that Oregon is uniquely positioned to survive through some rough years, but damn.

[DuckzRule]

If the Pac-12 and ACC alliance becomes official, what matchups do y'all wanna see?

[Duck07]

Coming in late, but for my $0.02, I'd like to see the PAC bunker down, look to add quality programs (if any at all) and rule the west coast. Losing UCLA isn't a real big deal. If we do it right, play quality non-conference games... I think we can still have a conference that gets some respect. I'm not wild about seeing 2 super conferences. As to leaving the NCAA, that's ok, but if teams do then pure lawlessness will follow. If anyone thinks NIL is ruining college football, wait until there are no rules and whet that may involve.

Unless that involved some type of raiding of the Big12, I don't think that's a viable option.

Adding: Boise, Fresno, San Diego St and Colorado St does little to our national brand and longevity as a conference.

I don't want the PAC to fall apart, but if it were to continue, it would need to add more like: Baylor, Ok St, BYU, Texas Tech & the Kansas schools.

Even those 6 aren't a great pull.

Adding Boise, Fresno etc would have a negative pull on the conference.

Larry Scott and the P12 Presidents killed the conference. Anything that Kliavakoff manages to do likely only puts the PAC on further life support. You can't replace LA with Boise or Baylor or try a merged conference because it's only temporary until you get eaten apart again.

[lmduck]

I said that I won't look at anymore Twitter stuff but LOOK:

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Oregon vs Clemson in Allegiant Stadium sounds cool!

Bro you're a addict!

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This is Dodd parroting what Canzano said earlier in the day yesterday. Nothing ground breaking here.

These people are all just rehashing one another's tweets.


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[rockthief]

I just want to cheer on my team and watch athletes progress over the years, but those days are over due to greed and power lust. throw in the NIL and the demise of football as we know it is complete. I do not resist change but this is really stupid. Will teams play other teams they have scheduled down the way? Larry Scott is a millionaire jerk. Have yourselves a glorious day Duck fans.

[ducks5ever]

Coming in late, but for my $0.02, I'd like to see the PAC bunker down, look to add quality programs (if any at all) and rule the west coast. Losing UCLA isn't a real big deal. If we do it right, play quality non-conference games... I think we can still have a conference that gets some respect. I'm not wild about seeing 2 super conferences. As to leaving the NCAA, that's ok, but if teams do then pure lawlessness will follow. If anyone thinks NIL is ruining college football, wait until there are no rules and whet that may involve.

But if we don't join the cash grab game, I think we'll be left behind indefinitely. We have PK backing but we shouldn't take it for granted. The SEC and Big10 schools will get more funding from the media rights. More funding -> more NIL/coaching pool money -> better recruits/coaches -> dominate championship conversation year in/year out.

Anyone who's not at the party will be stuck with whatever is left ("up and coming" recruits/tier 2 coaches) and play in the Sun Bowl/cheez-it bowl, etc.

An AD that makes $50 mm a year can compete with an AD that makes $35 mm maybe once or twice in a decade. Realistically if the $35 mm team is able to compete witht he $50mm team more than that, the $50mm school should fire whoever is running the football program/coaches.

[GrandpaDuck]

Coming in late, but for my $0.02, I'd like to see the PAC bunker down, look to add quality programs (if any at all) and rule the west coast. Losing UCLA isn't a real big deal. If we do it right, play quality non-conference games... I think we can still have a conference that gets some respect. I'm not wild about seeing 2 super conferences. As to leaving the NCAA, that's ok, but if teams do then pure lawlessness will follow. If anyone thinks NIL is ruining college football, wait until there are no rules and whet that may involve.

But if we don't join the cash grab game, I think we'll be left behind indefinitely. We have PK backing but we shouldn't take it for granted. The SEC and Big10 schools will get more funding from the media rights. More funding -> more NIL/coaching pool money -> better recruits/coaches -> dominate championship conversation year in/year out.

Anyone who's not at the party will be stuck with whatever is left ("up and coming" recruits/tier 2 coaches) and play in the Sun Bowl/cheez-it bowl, etc.

An AD that makes $50 mm a year can compete with an AD that makes $35 mm maybe once or twice in a decade. Realistically if the $35 mm team is able to compete with the $50mm team more than that, the $50mm school should fire whoever is running the football program/coaches.

Not necessarily, money going to athletic departments can only be used for coaches and facilities and such. The rise of Alabama, Clemson, old and new Miami was largely due to direct booster to player pay at a grand scale. In just the infancy of NIL, we have seen booster programs at Arkansas (for BB), Texas A&M, USC and Miami in football make massive jumps towards the front of the line in player acquisition with money not coming from the athletic department. Remember when SMU bought their way in to being a National power in about 1 year; that is legal now.

[DuckzRule]

I'm starting to miss the good old days before the pandemic happened, everything was normal, just teams announcing games on their future schedules...

And now everything will be different thanks to Oklahoma, Texas, USC and UCLA...

[OregonFan4Life]

Coming in late, but for my $0.02, I'd like to see the PAC bunker down, look to add quality programs (if any at all) and rule the west coast. Losing UCLA isn't a real big deal. If we do it right, play quality non-conference games... I think we can still have a conference that gets some respect. I'm not wild about seeing 2 super conferences. As to leaving the NCAA, that's ok, but if teams do then pure lawlessness will follow. If anyone thinks NIL is ruining college football, wait until there are no rules and whet that may involve.

But if we don't join the cash grab game, I think we'll be left behind indefinitely. We have PK backing but we shouldn't take it for granted. The SEC and Big10 schools will get more funding from the media rights. More funding -> more NIL/coaching pool money -> better recruits/coaches -> dominate championship conversation year in/year out.

Anyone who's not at the party will be stuck with whatever is left ("up and coming" recruits/tier 2 coaches) and play in the Sun Bowl/cheez-it bowl, etc.

An AD that makes $50 mm a year can compete with an AD that makes $35 mm maybe once or twice in a decade. Realistically if the $35 mm team is able to compete with the $50mm team more than that, the $50mm school should fire whoever is running the football program/coaches.

Not necessarily, money going to athletic departments can only be used for coaches and facilities and such. The rise of Alabama, Clemson, old and new Miami was largely due to direct booster to player pay at a grand scale. In just the infancy of NIL, we have seen booster programs at Arkansas (for BB), Texas A&M, USC and Miami in football make massive jumps towards the front of the line in player acquisition with money not coming from the athletic department. Remember when SMU bought their way in to being a National power in about 1 year; that is legal now.

Actually, it isn’t legal, and perhaps that’s the worst and most frustrating part of this, is that the general public’s misunderstanding of what the rules are as well as the lack of integrity with a lot of schools (especially in the SEC), the weak NCAA with no backbone, and the government getting their dirty paws involved and making everything worse, is what’s allowing these programs to cheat right in front of us. It’s ironic cause it went from programs breaking the rules behind the scenes to basically them breaking the rules in broad daylight and challenging the NCAA to come after them, which everyone knows they won’t. This conference re-alignment is just another domino of the complete change and possible collapse of college sports.

[SuperDuck]

Just a thought. San Diego State has been competitive in football the past few years. They'd likely be ecstatic to join the Pac-12.

If we could pull TCU or SMU in, that would bring in both the San Diego and Dallas/Fort Worth markets.

It's not L.A., but those are still some significant TV markets.

[lmduck]

Just a thought. San Diego State has been competitive in football the past few years. They'd likely be ecstatic to join the Pac-12.

If we could pull TCU or SMU in, that would bring in both the San Diego and Dallas/Fort Worth markets.

It's not L.A., but those are still some significant TV markets.

Would "TV eyes' care about say an Oregon State/San Diego State match up? My guess is probably not. That's what this is about. Of course an Ohio State/USC matchup gets major viewing but again (I posed this in the thread earlier) is a UCLA/Rutgers game going to get high viewership???? There's lots at stake here for sure.

[pezsez1]

That is the one scenario I've not seen floated too much in the media...

Partnering up with the ACC (with actual contractual agreements, not just an "alliance" like middle-schoolers form on playgrounds) while also poaching the top Big-12 teams to the Pac... something like that might work out.

Canzano had a follow-up column today... nothing really new, but points out that the ACC can't really open itself up to merging without risking its teams bolting for the SEC or B1G... and that its teams are under contract through 2036. I don't think the Pac-12 faces those same restrictions. So the Pac could possibly raid the Big-12 AND form a partnership with the ACC. The final blueprint of that endeavor could resemble a viable third super conference with entities far too large to leave out of a future playoff system.

I also wonder whether the B1G might change its tune if such a plan starts coming together. (And I wonder whether Oregon would listen because a Big-12/ACC-based conference would be far better for us from a competitive standpoint.)