Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment

[Duck07]

I thought it was a tongue in cheek comment from him, not a serious piece of conjecture.

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[lmduck]

Matt Prehm has a tweet, I don’t know how to post a link, speculates Big 10 trades UCLA for Oregon with cash, pure rumor but he sites Cals problems with LA schools economic impact on leaving. Pure speculation but interesting thought.

Seems pretty far fetched.

I agree, I know Oregon is a better program than UCLA or USC for that matter, the Ducks would be more competitive, but just can’t match TV revenue.

For sure and by all accounts that is what this is about. I figured Prehm was being facetious but as we have seen, some pundits pick up on stuff and turn it into 'my well placed sources' told me..........

[DuckMastaFunk]

I thought it was a tongue in cheek comment from him, not a serious piece of conjecture.

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That is clearly and obviously a joke. Some people just do not understand humor.

Thanks for posting the tweet Duck07

[SuperDuck]

The Big-12 is seriously considering Pac-12 schools. The incoming Commissioner stated that he's "exploring all options" and that "We're open for business."

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... -expansion

As I previously stated, the Big-12 is still formidable even without OU and Texas. Losing OU hurts, but Texas hasn't been a consistent power in football since Mack Brown was fired.

Okie State, Baylor, Cincinnati, BYU, Houston and others are all very good teams. Iowa State just beat the Ducks in the Fiesta Bowl a couple years ago and has a very good coaching staff.

If they were to add Oregon, Utah, UW, Stanford, ASU, UA and Colorado that would become a conference that couldn't be ignored.

[Duck07]

The Big-12 is seriously considering Pac-12 schools. The incoming Commissioner stated that he's "exploring all options" and that "We're open for business."

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... -expansion

As I previously stated, the Big-12 is still formidable even without OU and Texas. Losing OU hurts, but Texas hasn't been a consistent power in football since Mack Brown was fired.

Okie State, Baylor, Cincinnati, BYU, Houston and others are all very good teams. Iowa State just beat the Ducks in the Fiesta Bowl a couple years ago and has a very good coaching staff.

If they were to add Oregon, Utah, UW, Stanford, ASU, UA and Colorado that would become a conference that couldn't be ignored.

Sure the Big 12 can continue to make overtures but if the TV $ isn't substantially better than the schools won't do it. Fox isn't likely to up the Big 12 deal and they already are not willing to get into the Pac 10 market so none of it has any legs to stand on right now.

Also, I really don't see Oregon and Washington dumping the Beavs and Cougs to make an at best lateral move to a conference whose identity clashes with those of our current schools. Taking everyone but OSU and WSU to make a Big 20 where we're the top Football team doesn't seem like an advantage for us when we're already the top Football team in our league.

[buckmarkduck]

The Big-12 is seriously considering Pac-12 schools. The incoming Commissioner stated that he's "exploring all options" and that "We're open for business."

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... -expansion

As I previously stated, the Big-12 is still formidable even without OU and Texas. Losing OU hurts, but Texas hasn't been a consistent power in football since Mack Brown was fired.

Okie State, Baylor, Cincinnati, BYU, Houston and others are all very good teams. Iowa State just beat the Ducks in the Fiesta Bowl a couple years ago and has a very good coaching staff.

If they were to add Oregon, Utah, UW, Stanford, ASU, UA and Colorado that would become a conference that couldn't be ignored.

Sure the Big 12 can continue to make overtures but if the TV $ isn't substantially better than the schools won't do it. Fox isn't likely to up the Big 12 deal and they already are not willing to get into the Pac 10 market so none of it has any legs to stand on right now.

Also, I really don't see Oregon and Washington dumping the Beavs and Cougs to make an at best lateral move to a conference whose identity clashes with those of our current schools. Taking everyone but OSU and WSU to make a Big 20 where we're the top Football team doesn't seem like an advantage for us when we're already the top Football team in our league.

At best is being really generous. I’ve seen the pac 10 will be lucky to get 20mi a year without the LA schools. The Big 12 thinks they will get 35, and the rumor is they would give UO and UW an extra 17mil a year to come over. It’s not BIG money, but it’s easily double the Pac BS deal.

At this point, I don’t see the Pac surviving past 2023.

[greenyellow]

The Big-12 is seriously considering Pac-12 schools. The incoming Commissioner stated that he's "exploring all options" and that "We're open for business."

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... -expansion

As I previously stated, the Big-12 is still formidable even without OU and Texas. Losing OU hurts, but Texas hasn't been a consistent power in football since Mack Brown was fired.

Okie State, Baylor, Cincinnati, BYU, Houston and others are all very good teams. Iowa State just beat the Ducks in the Fiesta Bowl a couple years ago and has a very good coaching staff.

If they were to add Oregon, Utah, UW, Stanford, ASU, UA and Colorado that would become a conference that couldn't be ignored.

Sure the Big 12 can continue to make overtures but if the TV $ isn't substantially better than the schools won't do it. Fox isn't likely to up the Big 12 deal and they already are not willing to get into the Pac 10 market so none of it has any legs to stand on right now.

Also, I really don't see Oregon and Washington dumping the Beavs and Cougs to make an at best lateral move to a conference whose identity clashes with those of our current schools. Taking everyone but OSU and WSU to make a Big 20 where we're the top Football team doesn't seem like an advantage for us when we're already the top Football team in our league.

At best is being really generous. I’ve seen the pac 10 will be lucky to get 20mi a year without the LA schools. The Big 12 thinks they will get 35, and the rumor is they would give UO and UW an extra 17mil a year to come over. It’s not BIG money, but it’s easily double the Pac BS deal.

At this point, I don’t see the Pac surviving past 2023.

The latest numbers had the Pac-12's new deal at around $300 million but with only 10 members, that's around $30 million per school.

[Duck07]

At best is being really generous. I’ve seen the pac 10 will be lucky to get 20mi a year without the LA schools. The Big 12 thinks they will get 35, and the rumor is they would give UO and UW an extra 17mil a year to come over. It’s not BIG money, but it’s easily double the Pac BS deal.

At this point, I don’t see the Pac surviving past 2023.

Again, the money has to be substantially greater to deal with the problems associated with the move. So far I haven't seen anything about an expanded Big 12 in 2025 getting that much more $ than what ESPN is going to give the Pac 10.

Just how much $ is going to be doled out and split between the Big 15 (with BYU, Cincinnati and UCF in 2023) now adding 8 Pac schools (leaving out WSU and OSU mind you) to become the Big 23 in 2025? Taking the 30M$ reported ESPN offer each Pac school would make, that means that Fox or ESPN would have to shell out 690M/year (or 750M for the Big 25) to play in a Super Conference with ZERO financial gain to the 8/10 Pac schools leaving while at the same time needing to use the best TV slots that are already occupied by the SEC/B1G.

[Phalanx]

So Cal is in this conversation? Last I heard, they were thinking about scrapping football altogether.

[buckmarkduck]

The Big-12 is seriously considering Pac-12 schools. The incoming Commissioner stated that he's "exploring all options" and that "We're open for business."

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... -expansion

As I previously stated, the Big-12 is still formidable even without OU and Texas. Losing OU hurts, but Texas hasn't been a consistent power in football since Mack Brown was fired.

Okie State, Baylor, Cincinnati, BYU, Houston and others are all very good teams. Iowa State just beat the Ducks in the Fiesta Bowl a couple years ago and has a very good coaching staff.

If they were to add Oregon, Utah, UW, Stanford, ASU, UA and Colorado that would become a conference that couldn't be ignored.

Sure the Big 12 can continue to make overtures but if the TV $ isn't substantially better than the schools won't do it. Fox isn't likely to up the Big 12 deal and they already are not willing to get into the Pac 10 market so none of it has any legs to stand on right now.

Also, I really don't see Oregon and Washington dumping the Beavs and Cougs to make an at best lateral move to a conference whose identity clashes with those of our current schools. Taking everyone but OSU and WSU to make a Big 20 where we're the top Football team doesn't seem like an advantage for us when we're already the top Football team in our league.

At best is being really generous. I’ve seen the pac 10 will be lucky to get 20mi a year without the LA schools. The Big 12 thinks they will get 35, and the rumor is they would give UO and UW an extra 17mil a year to come over. It’s not BIG money, but it’s easily double the Pac BS deal.

At this point, I don’t see the Pac surviving past 2023.

The latest numbers had the Pac-12's new deal at around $300 million but with only 10 members, that's around $30 million per school.

The best I’ve seen we can expect for the pac 10 , is something similar to the AAC. Which isn’t great, and not close to 30mill.

[greenyellow]

The thing works in the Pac-10's favor somewhat is that ESPN values having late games after all the Eastern, Central, and Mountain time zone schools have largely played. The former Fox Sports exec that Canzano keeps using, Bob Thompson, says his sources are still saying the Pac-12 is valued at around $300M so it's not going to drop to AAC levels, which has a 12-year, $83M deal with ESPN.

[buckmarkduck]

The thing works in the Pac-10's favor somewhat is that ESPN values having late games after all the Eastern, Central, and Mountain time zone schools have largely played. The former Fox Sports exec that Canzano keeps using, Bob Thompson, says his sources are still saying the Pac-12 is valued at around $300M so it's not going to drop to AAC levels, which has a 12-year, $83M deal with ESPN.

They are saying Fox isn’t even trying to get the pac 12. And ESPN won’t bid against themselves. It’s here is your offer, take it or leave it. Canzano just is taking out of his butt because he wants to save OSU.

[Quietduck]

Now the California governor wants to have the final say on UCLA's move. What kind of monkey wrench is this going to cause?

[buckmarkduck]

Now the California governor wants to have the final say on UCLA's move. What kind of monkey wrench is this going to cause?

Hopefully he oversteps his authority as usual, and fs over UCLA.

[justin_f]

Now the California governor wants to have the final say on UCLA's move. What kind of monkey wrench is this going to cause?

Hopefully he oversteps his authority as usual, and fs over UCLA.

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