#12 Oregon @ Arizona (Oct. 8, Sat 6 PM Pac-12 Network)

[UofDuck]

Regarding the targeting call, whether or not it was "right" is irrelevant. Having watched enough Pac-12 games this year, I saw the first replay and knew immediately that it was going to be targeting. It is what it is.......players have to adjust to whatever interpretation officials are using this season. What Manning did is going to be called targeting every time. He, along with the rest of the team, needs to use it as a learning experience and try to avoid using that technique in that situation in the future.

The type of targeting they’re ejecting players for will never be eliminated from football. You simply can’t avoid these instances without eliminating tackling altogether. DJ Johnson’s ejection is a perfect example: The only way he could’ve avoided “leading with his head” was to not attempt the tackle at all and let Ward run away from him.

It’s not leading with your head that’s the issue, it’s leading with the crown of your head. Players have to learn to keep their heads up and lead with their face masks.

[OfaFeather]

Regarding the targeting call, whether or not it was "right" is irrelevant. Having watched enough Pac-12 games this year, I saw the first replay and knew immediately that it was going to be targeting. It is what it is.......players have to adjust to whatever interpretation officials are using this season. What Manning did is going to be called targeting every time. He, along with the rest of the team, needs to use it as a learning experience and try to avoid using that technique in that situation in the future.

The type of targeting they’re ejecting players for will never be eliminated from football. You simply can’t avoid these instances without eliminating tackling altogether. DJ Johnson’s ejection is a perfect example: The only way he could’ve avoided “leading with his head” was to not attempt the tackle at all and let Ward run away from him.

It’s not leading with your head that’s the issue, it’s leading with the crown of your head. Players have to learn to keep their heads up and lead with their face masks.

I think it depends on the team whether they will call those gray area targeting calls. Prime example was in the OSU v Stanford game, in the 4th quarter, on a 3rd down play a pass went over the head of a Beaver and the Cardinal player had a huge hit with contact with the crown of his helmet and you watch the receivers head jerk back. The refs didn’t call anything on the field and play just kept going, by the rules, it should have been targeting….but teams like Stanford will get a pass on these questionable calls where teams like Oregon will always get called for them. Those teams will have to adjust, where other teams like Notre Dame, Stanford and Bama will get the benefit of the doubt.

[UOducksTK1]

This new staff is validating every concern that virtually every Duck fan had about the Cristobal staff. It's just so refreshing to see real coaching again.

preach

Minus the call to ice the kicker when they’re kicking a long field goal with 10 seconds left with extra downs left.

If they wanna kick that early and not take shots at end zone or get a closer FG, let them.

But seriously, our coaching staff has been a breathe of fresh air. Our offense was so fun to watch last night, it reminded me of the Chip Kelly era. We should play against the worst running defenses in the country every year.

I couldn't disagree more. It was BETTER than the CK era. I have never, ever, ever, has a Duck fan since 1987, seen a more disciplined team in regards to staying in your lanes, covering the right players, and making the correct reads. I swear to god we were in their passing and running lanes before they were. This game was coached, and played masterfully. Lanning is playing chess and the rest of the Pac checkers. I haven't been able to watch any other teams play this year due to I work insurance claims for hurricanes and yea, I am a bit busy this year but I am curious how good Utah, UCLA and USC are this year because we are growing into the best team in the Pac, in my humble, completely biased opinion.

I never said it was worse or equal to Chip era. I just said it reminded me of the Chip area.

[dthomas=ddixon]

Regarding the targeting call, whether or not it was "right" is irrelevant. Having watched enough Pac-12 games this year, I saw the first replay and knew immediately that it was going to be targeting. It is what it is.......players have to adjust to whatever interpretation officials are using this season. What Manning did is going to be called targeting every time. He, along with the rest of the team, needs to use it as a learning experience and try to avoid using that technique in that situation in the future.

The type of targeting they’re ejecting players for will never be eliminated from football. You simply can’t avoid these instances without eliminating tackling altogether. DJ Johnson’s ejection is a perfect example: The only way he could’ve avoided “leading with his head” was to not attempt the tackle at all and let Ward run away from him.

I agree it is impossible to avoid 100% of targeting calls, with DJ Johnson being a good example of that. What Manning did does not fall into that category. It was completely avoidable with proper technique and, like I said, should/will be used as a teaching example for the rest of the team as a prime example of what not to do in that particular situation.

Manning’s definitely wasn’t as clean of a hit but the factors were still the same. He wasn’t targeting the head, he hit the player in the chest/shoulder area and momentum brought his head forward causing his helmet to clip the players face mask. Which is targeting by the new pac-12 definitions but they’ve lost the script on what targeting is.


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[dthomas=ddixon]

Regarding the targeting call, whether or not it was "right" is irrelevant. Having watched enough Pac-12 games this year, I saw the first replay and knew immediately that it was going to be targeting. It is what it is.......players have to adjust to whatever interpretation officials are using this season. What Manning did is going to be called targeting every time. He, along with the rest of the team, needs to use it as a learning experience and try to avoid using that technique in that situation in the future.

The type of targeting they’re ejecting players for will never be eliminated from football. You simply can’t avoid these instances without eliminating tackling altogether. DJ Johnson’s ejection is a perfect example: The only way he could’ve avoided “leading with his head” was to not attempt the tackle at all and let Ward run away from him.

It’s not leading with your head that’s the issue, it’s leading with the crown of your head. Players have to learn to keep their heads up and lead with their face masks.

Go watch the DJ tackle and explain to me how it’s physically possible for a player running full tilt and diving horizontally, to keeps his head back and upright all the way through contact. It was a perfectly clean tackle and on contact, momentum brought his head forward and down. It simply wasn’t targeting, and didn’t cause any more head trauma to Ward or DJ than any other normal tackle would. Which is the whole point of the rule, and, again, why the conference has lost the script.

Ejecting players for incidental helmet to helmet contact is asinine and accomplishes nothing for player safety.


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[UofDuck]

Are you asking if it’s possible for a player to dive forward while keeping his head up? The answer is yes.

I’m not talking about any play in particular, I’m saying to avoid most targeting calls, players need to adopt Head’s Up Tackling. They can’t dip their head and lead with the top of the helmet or they’ll get flagged. I’m not defending the rule, I’m just saying what constitutes 90% of the targeting penalties are lowering the crown of head before impact.

[karlhungis]

Every time Ty comes in, I think back to the end of camp when the coaches were saying he was neck and neck with Bo. That had to be a smokescreen by the coaches, right?

[StevensTechU]

Every time Ty comes in, I think back to the end of camp when the coaches were saying he was neck and neck with Bo. That had to be a smokescreen by the coaches, right?

Without a doubt. Recall Georgia's coach saying "I know who's starting."

[Everythingsducky]

Every time Ty comes in, I think back to the end of camp when the coaches were saying he was neck and neck with Bo. That had to be a smokescreen by the coaches, right?

Without a doubt. Recall Georgia's coach saying "I know who's starting."

Fingers and toes crossed Nix gets substantial NIL dollars to come back next year. He keeps this up, he will definitely get drafted, just depends on where. Bonus to get Moore a year to prepare under Nix. Thompson was a miscalculation, but this happens all the time. Hopefully, Moore pans out, and lives up to his rating.

[gogreen55]

Every time Ty comes in, I think back to the end of camp when the coaches were saying he was neck and neck with Bo. That had to be a smokescreen by the coaches, right?

Without a doubt. Recall Georgia's coach saying "I know who's starting."

Fingers and toes crossed Nix gets substantial NIL dollars to come back next year. He keeps this up, he will definitely get drafted, just depends on where. Bonus to get Moore a year to prepare under Nix. Thompson was a miscalculation, but this happens all the time. Hopefully, Moore pans out, and lives up to his rating.

Moore is far more advanced as a QB than Thompson was coming out of HS. He has a ton of experience, is polished, reads defenses, has a quick release, will stand and deliver while taking a hit in the pocket, etc. He seemingly has all the intangibles you want from a QB. His rating isn't based on him having a huge arm, or great athleticism, or ideal size. In fact, that is part of my concern with Moore. From a physical standpoint, the ceiling isn't as high as we are enjoying right now with Bo. A QB being able to make plays with his legs is such an advantage in the college game. Moore isn't expected to excel much in that area.

[QuackininBama]

Are you asking if it’s possible for a player to dive forward while keeping his head up? The answer is yes.

I’m not talking about any play in particular, I’m saying to avoid most targeting calls, players need to adopt Head’s Up Tackling. They can’t dip their head and lead with the top of the helmet or they’ll get flagged. I’m not defending the rule, I’m just saying what constitutes 90% of the targeting penalties are lowering the crown of head before impact.

I realize what you are saying however, this is impossible. You are asking players to to change 20 years of football practice and to make critical decisions in 1/16th of a second. Its totally unrealistic. The rules are becoming outright ridiculous.