Who should Oregon hire at OC? - (EDIT) Looks like it’s UTSA OC Will Stein

[dthomas=ddixon]

> we have a defensive coach who gets the need for a high-powered, cutting edge offensive philosophy.

who needs to work on the high-powered, cutting edge defensive philosophy.

How so?


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[karlhungis]

> we have a defensive coach who gets the need for a high-powered, cutting edge offensive philosophy.

who needs to work on the high-powered, cutting edge defensive philosophy.

How so?


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Did you watch our defense this year?

[Alan]

Has U of O made an announcement yet and I missed it? If not what are they waiting for? UTSA bowl game? It is not really a secret anymore, so,why not lock it in for recruiting?

[dthomas=ddixon]

> we have a defensive coach who gets the need for a high-powered, cutting edge offensive philosophy.

who needs to work on the high-powered, cutting edge defensive philosophy.

How so?


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Did you watch our defense this year?

Yep. I’m just not convinced it’s Lanning’s defensive philosophy that’s the problem. If someone has a good argument for why it is I’d love to hear it, which is why I asked 73duck.


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[Duck07]

Yep. I’m just not convinced it’s Lanning’s defensive philosophy that’s the problem. If someone has a good argument for why it is I’d love to hear it, which is why I asked 73duck.

I tend to lean towards the "Jimmies and Joes" side of the coin more than the "X's and O's" side of it as well, especially when we continue to see the same LBs year after year have the same struggles in the run game. Now the counter to that then becomes how good can they correct those poor habits in practice if its still showing up BUT Lanning and Co haven't been here a full year yet either.

[dthomas=ddixon]

Yep. I’m just not convinced it’s Lanning’s defensive philosophy that’s the problem. If someone has a good argument for why it is I’d love to hear it, which is why I asked 73duck.

I tend to lean towards the "Jimmies and Joes" side of the coin more than the "X's and O's" side of it as well, especially when we continue to see the same LBs year after year have the same struggles in the run game. Now the counter to that then becomes how good can they correct those poor habits in practice if its still showing up BUT Lanning and Co haven't been here a full year yet either.

Agreed. Time will tell with this staff. It would’ve been nice to see some scheme adjustments that catered to the type of players we had, but I’m not enough of an Xs & Os guy to know exactly what the staff did and didn’t do.

People’s main gripe seems to be the staff not utilizing all the talent on this D. I think fans just get enamored with players based on their star rating out of HS, and have a hard time realizing that their actual performance when they get here is a better indicator of their abilities. The defense is full of highly rated guys that simply aren’t as good as their recruiting ranking. If 3 years in the guy still can’t get on the field or looks terrible whenever he does, he probably just isn’t that good.

[pezsez1]

People’s main gripe seems to be the staff not utilizing all the talent on this D. I think fans just get enamored with players based on their star rating out of HS, and have a hard time realizing that their actual performance when they get here is a better indicator of their abilities. The defense is full of highly rated guys that simply aren’t as good as their recruiting ranking. If 3 years in the guy still can’t get on the field or looks terrible whenever he does, he probably just isn’t that good.

I agree, but probably the one thing that gives me pause is Sewell's regression. He was outstanding the past two years, and this year was virtually a non-factor. That's a bit concerning.

That said, we all saw Lanning's defenses at Georgia and the man clearly knows how to coach on that side of the ball. If I had to blindly place blame for the issues with our D, I'll blame Tosh far more than I'd blame Lanning. I don't know Tosh's details as much as others probably do, but I don't recall him being a part of an overwhelmingly good defensive unit.

[73duck]

I have a high degree of confidence in the coaching staff on the offensive side of the ball, and the new guy looks like a good fit. It is clear, though, that the defense was bad this year, and the coaching staff has to take some responsibility for that. The DC came into the job with the reputation of being a top recruiter, but no outstanding credentials otherwise. Should Lanning get rid of him? Should Lanning be more hands on, like CK was with the offense? I don't know. It could be that Lanning too nice a guy to fix this.

IIRC one year Bellotti brought in a DC who thought it was a good idea to line up a yard off the line of scrimmage. After a year of that, MB got rid of him.

[OregonFan4Life]

It is a weird dynamic between Lanning and Tosh, I do agree with those that there is concern over Tosh’s ability to call defensive plays and present a solid defensive scheme. There was speculation that Lanning called the plays in the Utah game which was the best defensive performance all year long, but that he gave the responsibility back to Tosh for the OSU game. If you read between the lines and look at the little clues, this appears to be fairly accurate. The biggest issue from my perspective is Lanning and Tosh are friends, I believe Tosh was in Lanning’s wedding party. At what point does Lanning threaten that friendship to essentially demote/offend Tosh by taking defensive playcalling duties permanently? While the defensive players did quit when up 31-10 against OSU, it’s not like the defensive playcalling adjusted to focus on the very obvious run plays coming. I do think there is legitimate concern about Tosh and whether Lanning will permanently take playcalling duties or not.

[SuperDuck]

It is a weird dynamic between Lanning and Tosh, I do agree with those that there is concern over Tosh’s ability to call defensive plays and present a solid defensive scheme. There was speculation that Lanning called the plays in the Utah game which was the best defensive performance all year long, but that he gave the responsibility back to Tosh for the OSU game. If you read between the lines and look at the little clues, this appears to be fairly accurate. The biggest issue from my perspective is Lanning and Tosh are friends, I believe Tosh was in Lanning’s wedding party. At what point does Lanning threaten that friendship to essentially demote/offend Tosh by taking defensive playcalling duties permanently? While the defensive players did quit when up 31-10 against OSU, it’s not like the defensive playcalling adjusted to focus on the very obvious run plays coming. I do think there is legitimate concern about Tosh and whether Lanning will permanently take playcalling duties or not.

Personally, like Dillingham, I don't expect Tosh to be at Oregon very long. He has a solid resume and may have better opportunities offered in the future, especially if he can get this defense turned around in the next 1-2 years.

[DuckMastaFunk]

It is a weird dynamic between Lanning and Tosh, I do agree with those that there is concern over Tosh’s ability to call defensive plays and present a solid defensive scheme. There was speculation that Lanning called the plays in the Utah game which was the best defensive performance all year long, but that he gave the responsibility back to Tosh for the OSU game. If you read between the lines and look at the little clues, this appears to be fairly accurate. The biggest issue from my perspective is Lanning and Tosh are friends, I believe Tosh was in Lanning’s wedding party. At what point does Lanning threaten that friendship to essentially demote/offend Tosh by taking defensive playcalling duties permanently? While the defensive players did quit when up 31-10 against OSU, it’s not like the defensive playcalling adjusted to focus on the very obvious run plays coming. I do think there is legitimate concern about Tosh and whether Lanning will permanently take playcalling duties or not.

Personally, like Dillingham, I don't expect Tosh to be at Oregon very long. He has a solid resume and may have better opportunities offered in the future, especially if he can get this defense turned around in the next 1-2 years.

Solid resume? He was DC once before and Saban took the keys away from him midway through the year, before he was encouraged find employment elsewhere. This is his second stint as DC and the results aren't good with all signs pointing to Lanning taking the keys away during the season.

[Tray Dub]

Has U of O made an announcement yet and I missed it? If not what are they waiting for? UTSA bowl game? It is not really a secret anymore, so,why not lock it in for recruiting?

I'm also curious about this, and slightly nervous that Stein is holding out hopes that the new HC at his alma mater Louisville might offer him the same job. Probably not and no inside info, but would like to see a formal announcement regardless.

[BearlyBalanced]

I think they have to wait to officially announce it until after a certain number of days past when the job was listed. I think state hiring rules or something.

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[dthomas=ddixon]

I have a high degree of confidence in the coaching staff on the offensive side of the ball, and the new guy looks like a good fit. It is clear, though, that the defense was bad this year, and the coaching staff has to take some responsibility for that. The DC came into the job with the reputation of being a top recruiter, but no outstanding credentials otherwise. Should Lanning get rid of him? Should Lanning be more hands on, like CK was with the offense? I don't know. It could be that Lanning too nice a guy to fix this.

IIRC one year Bellotti brought in a DC who thought it was a good idea to line up a yard off the line of scrimmage. After a year of that, MB got rid of him.

I’m definitely not sold on Tosh as a play caller. Personally, I would prefer Lanning calling plays or at least being very involved.

Tosh’s role is definitely to be a killer recruit, and being one of the highest paid DCs in the country, if he doesn’t at least bring in some serious studs then I’ll start to question his role on the team.