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[Duck07]

Mahomes wasn't an elite college QB though.

Elite College QBs do win in college, whether they are elite NFL QBs is a whole other story.

Harrington, Mariota and Adams all come to mind for me when parsing that difference.

[dd10snoop28]

Mahomes wasn't an elite college QB though.

Elite College QBs do win in college, whether they are elite NFL QBs is a whole other story.

Harrington, Mariota and Adams all come to mind for me when parsing that difference.

Winning shouldn't be the sole criteria for being elite, especially at the collegiate level where the talent gap is far greater between teams than it is between teams in the NFL. The talent difference between TTU and the teams that the "elite" QB's have played on is immense.


Just for fun, I compared the rosters between Mariota/Mahomes' last season in college. The stat I looked at was how many starts in the NFL their respective teams in college had in their final season.

The results: 348 starts for Oregon and 101 starts for TTU. Also, of the 101 starts for TTU, the majority (51) of these were from players that were freshman during Mahomes' last season. The only freshman for Oregon for Mariota's last season was Freeman (only 9 starts in NFL).

[GrantDuck]

Quarterback and Cornerback. Both allow you to dictate box size and numbers.

[Duck07]

Winning shouldn't be the sole criteria for being elite, especially at the collegiate level where the talent gap is far greater between teams than it is between teams in the NFL. The talent difference between TTU and the teams that the "elite" QB's have played on is immense.


Just for fun, I compared the rosters between Mariota/Mahomes' last season in college. The stat I looked at was how many starts in the NFL their respective teams in college had in their final season.

The results: 348 starts for Oregon and 101 starts for TTU. Also, of the 101 starts for TTU, the majority (51) of these were from players that were freshman during Mahomes' last season. The only freshman for Oregon for Mariota's last season was Freeman (only 9 starts in NFL).

Mahomes was not an elite college QB, especially not in comparison to Marcus who finished #2 behind Tebow for QB efficiency when he left. I also think there's a level of circular logic to defining an elite QB, so there's no way you can win this argument now!

Interestingly enough, Marcus' final year we easily had both an Elite QB and DL nationally but we couldn't catch a pass to save our lives or stop Zeke from running to daylight all game.

[Quietduck]

Well we had lost our top two receivers and our starting lock down corner so maybe that had something to do with our level of play