Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment

[OregonFan4Life]

This is giving me flashbacks to a co-worker from years ago who kept getting extensions on a project. Literally months overdue. He then quit and it turned out he did zero work and was just trying to run out the clock while he job hunted. George K is that co-worker.

I said this before but I think Kliavkoff saw Larry Scott, a dude who had a nice salary and a nice house in SF paid for by the conference while doing literally nothing, and thought that looked like a good gig. Obviously that coworker has issues and a real lack of integrity, but at a certain point he shouldn’t have gotten away with that and the leadership failed the company by allowing that to happen. Hiring Kliavkoff, after Larry Scott and Tom Hanson who were all garbage, falls on the shoulders of the PAC-12 leaders.

[buckmarkduck]

Sure glad JC isn’t just a pac 12 mouth piece. Unlike those Big 12 honks

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[GDuck]

Sure glad JC isn’t just a pac 12 mouth piece. Unlike those Big 12 honks

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Trade up for who? Does anyone really think the conference can get someone better to move to it without a media deal? What school would do this? This reeks of poor management and accountability across the board.

[buckmarkduck]

Sure glad JC isn’t just a pac 12 mouth piece. Unlike those Big 12 honks

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Trade up for who? Does anyone really think the conference can get someone better to move to it without a media deal? What school would do this? This reeks of poor management and accountability across the board.

Pretty sure he is trying to sell the idea that SDSU is an upgrade. But if that was true, why weren’t they in the pac 12 long ago? Baghdad JC

[pezsez1]

But if that was true, why weren’t they in the pac 12 long ago?

It honestly wouldn't have made much sense to add SDSU previously because we already had UCLA and USC. That TV market was largely accounted for. Adding Utah and Colorado brought far more households into the TV footprint.

San Diego State is more valuable now from a financial perspective because it would recover millions of potential SoCal cable subscribers.

If we were building the conference from scratch right now and you had to choose between SDSU and Colorado, you'd choose SDSU. We all would. That's what that anonymous quote may be referencing.

Of course, that's all kind of moot because SDSU's footprint was supposed to be in addition to the Pac's existing inventory, not used to backfill it. And not even sure if SDSU could join right now because of its own conference drama.

Also, the Big 12 mouthpieces who've been saying for months that all the four corner schools were two weeks away from bolting have been wrong and, to date, are still wrong. Only Colorado has bolted -- and it's been months, not two weeks -- and the other schools appear to have been committed to waiting to see the media deal with a preference toward staying put.

I don't really follow rogue football Twitter but I'm guessing the mouthpieces are in overdrive right now with additional rumors meant to destabilize. Just be patient and let's see what happens. It shouldn't take long to see which way this will go.

[GDuck]

But if that was true, why weren’t they in the pac 12 long ago?

It honestly wouldn't have made much sense to add SDSU previously because we already had UCLA and USC. That TV market was largely accounted for. Adding Utah and Colorado brought far more households into the TV footprint.

San Diego State is more valuable now from a financial perspective because it would recover millions of potential SoCal cable subscribers.

If we were building the conference from scratch right now and you had to choose between SDSU and Colorado, you'd choose SDSU. We all would. That's what that anonymous quote may be referencing.

Of course, that's all kind of moot because SDSU's footprint was supposed to be in addition to the Pac's existing inventory, not used to backfill it. And not even sure if SDSU could join right now because of its own conference drama.

Also, the Big 12 mouthpieces who've been saying for months that all the four corner schools were two weeks away from bolting have been wrong and, to date, are still wrong. Only Colorado has bolted -- and it's been months, not two weeks -- and the other schools appear to have been committed to waiting to see the media deal with a preference toward staying put.

I don't really follow rogue football Twitter but I'm guessing the mouthpieces are in overdrive right now with additional rumors meant to destabilize. Just be patient and let's see what happens. It shouldn't take long to see which way this will go.

SDSU as an upgrade to Colorado is an interesting take. Not one I would’ve thought - but it’s all spin now. And yes it’s all conjecture and rumors until concrete info from the conference is presented. Until this happens, the conference looks to be scrambling and it’s not a good look.

[pezsez1]

SDSU as an upgrade to Colorado is an interesting take. Not one I would’ve thought

Is it? Comparable TV markets, far better location, more geographically appropriate, and far better revenue-generating sports programs.

As I said, though, that matters much less today because SDSU was intended to grow the conference, not backfill it. But plugging in a school of SDSU's caliber (if that could be done quickly) would more than replace Colorado's value. SDSU is embroiled in its own conference drama (largely because of the Pac's inability to complete a deal by now) so I'm not even sure they'd be able to come at this point.

[frogsnouts]

Sounds like the Big 12 either wants 1 more P5 schools, 3 more P5 schools, or 1 more P5 + 2 G5 schools.

Have to wonder if others are sitting there saying why do I wait to be left out. Especially if Oregon/Washington/Stanford do get B1G invites somewhere down the line and the Big 12 is full.

Does Utah want to wait too long, lose their potential landing spot to the Arizona schools and whoever else, AND end up with all the other decent brands jumping to the B1G later on? I just don't see it.

Also my favorite scenario is somehow Oregon State and Washington State manage to jump on the Big 12 life raft. Now that would be a fun shocker to see, though I don't see why the Big 12 would want them even if they are P5.

[StevensTechU]

Also my favorite scenario is somehow Oregon State and Washington State manage to jump on the Big 12 life raft. Now that would be a fun shocker to see, though I don't see why the Big 12 would want them even if they are P5.

Not as fun as a scenario where Oregon State goes to the Big 12, Oregon to the B1G, and washington is in a glorified Mountain West playing Colorado State and Nevada every year.

[pezsez1]

Also my favorite scenario is somehow Oregon State and Washington State manage to jump on the Big 12 life raft. Now that would be a fun shocker to see, though I don't see why the Big 12 would want them even if they are P5.

They may be bottom feeders, but they tap the Portland and Seattle TV markets which are bigger than a lot of markets in Big-12 territory. I wouldn't be shocked to see that happen. Realignment is all about the Benjamins.

EDIT: They're actually not really bottom feeders, especially not OSU. This would be a prime time for OSU to make a move if the Pac is indeed on extremely shaky ground.

[GDuck]

SDSU as an upgrade to Colorado is an interesting take. Not one I would’ve thought

Is it? Comparable TV markets, far better location, more geographically appropriate, and far better revenue-generating sports programs.

Maybe for football and basketball, but this hasn’t always been the case and may not be in the future. Better location for athletes but they are 3rd in line for southern Cal schools. Do you have actual revenue-generating numbers comparing the schools?

What about other sports? What about academics (know sports quality is the main factor here).

[pezsez1]

Do not know about other sports but also don't really care. Realignment is ultimately all about the money and TV footprint. Colorado's rev sports (with football being the biggest) are not good. SDSU, meanwhile, has trended upward and would likely thrive in a P5 conference.

Colorado was like the fourth-largest market in the Pac behind Portland and Seattle. I'd imagine San Diego State's footprint is bigger.

[GDuck]

Do not know about other sports but also don't really care. Realignment is ultimately all about the money and TV footprint. Colorado's rev sports (with football being the biggest) are not good. SDSU, meanwhile, has trended upward and would likely thrive in a P5 conference.

Colorado was like the fourth-largest market in the Pac behind Portland and Seattle. I'd imagine San Diego State's footprint is bigger.

So more conjecture. Would like to see the actual numbers.

Again, where the schools are now, may not be where they end up. Deion is bringing enthusiasm to Colorado. Colorado used to be one of the best football schools. Basketball they’ve been middling. Does SDSU maintain quality basketball (mostly this sport for them) and football against tougher conference? Are any other conferences trying to get SDSU to join?

Don’t buy SDSU will be a step up from Colorado. Could be overtime, but at this time, not buying it.

[buckmarkduck]

SDSU as an upgrade to Colorado is an interesting take. Not one I would’ve thought

Is it? Comparable TV markets, far better location, more geographically appropriate, and far better revenue-generating sports programs.

As I said, though, that matters much less today because SDSU was intended to grow the conference, not backfill it. But plugging in a school of SDSU's caliber (if that could be done quickly) would more than replace Colorado's value. SDSU is embroiled in its own conference drama (largely because of the Pac's inability to complete a deal by now) so I'm not even sure they'd be able to come at this point.

By your criteria SDSU is a better add than Tennessee. Does SDSU even have a football stadium anymore? California is historically a terrible college fan base for any school. And San Diego isn’t being SoCal with them, it’s 2 hrs drive on a good day from LA, and far longer on a bad day. Not sure this moves any needles around the rest of the country or raises our stock even a little bit.

[greenyellow]

SDSU as an upgrade to Colorado is an interesting take. Not one I would’ve thought

Is it? Comparable TV markets, far better location, more geographically appropriate, and far better revenue-generating sports programs.

As I said, though, that matters much less today because SDSU was intended to grow the conference, not backfill it. But plugging in a school of SDSU's caliber (if that could be done quickly) would more than replace Colorado's value. SDSU is embroiled in its own conference drama (largely because of the Pac's inability to complete a deal by now) so I'm not even sure they'd be able to come at this point.

By your criteria SDSU is a better add than Tennessee. Does SDSU even have a football stadium anymore? California is historically a terrible college fan base for any school. And San Diego isn’t being SoCal with them, it’s 2 hrs drive on a good day from LA, and far longer on a bad day. Not sure this moves any needles around the rest of the country or raises our stock even a little bit.

SDSU opened their brand new stadium last season.