Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment

[bellsduck]

Do not know about other sports but also don't really care. Realignment is ultimately all about the money and TV footprint. Colorado's rev sports (with football being the biggest) are not good. SDSU, meanwhile, has trended upward and would likely thrive in a P5 conference.

Colorado was like the fourth-largest market in the Pac behind Portland and Seattle. I'd imagine San Diego State's footprint is bigger.

It's not hard to look some of this up.

Colorado had revenue of $95 million vs SDSU's $65 million in the last year this was reported. https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances

And San Diego has 600,000 fewer households for tv than Denver does. https://coloradobuffaloeswire.usatoday. ... v-markets/

[pezsez1]

It's not hard to look some of this up.

And those numbers are close enough to be a wash in the grand scheme of things.

I don't feel the need to look up specifics (for the purpose of inserting factoids into forum responses) because I generally read enough about these issues to have confidence in my claims. Was reading about market sizes last night. That's good enough for me. Good job though for looking it up yourself. Now look up the success and attractivenss of SDSU's football program compared to Colorado over the past decade.

Colorado didn't bring anything to the table that can't be reasonably replaced.

[Duck07]

Do not know about other sports but also don't really care. Realignment is ultimately all about the money and TV footprint. Colorado's rev sports (with football being the biggest) are not good. SDSU, meanwhile, has trended upward and would likely thrive in a P5 conference.

Colorado was like the fourth-largest market in the Pac behind Portland and Seattle. I'd imagine San Diego State's footprint is bigger.

It's not hard to look some of this up.

Colorado had revenue of $95 million vs SDSU's $65 million in the last year this was reported. https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances

And San Diego has 600,000 fewer households for tv than Denver does. https://coloradobuffaloeswire.usatoday. ... v-markets/

SDSU has a higher number of contributions to their program and their main revenue difference is the TV deal that Colorado has vs the one that SDSU doesn't have.

The Aztecs are a school we should add if we plan on keeping the PAC alive, they'd take it back to 10.

Add Gonzaga, they don't have to play Football, as long as we get their Basketball team to distribute. This might also mean we could work a deal with Boise State to be a possible member, they'd take us to 11 full time Football, 12 for basketball.

UNLV would make 12 for Football, 13 for basketball and someone else can be the one to look up and match the other various athletics programs they've got and how they'd all fit.

I think the importance of a team's regional footprint for TV in the coming years may not be as important insofar as you just have talented teams that draw eye-balls.

We're seeing Networks struggle to pay their rights fees in Arizona specifically so I do find myself interested more in the streaming services while still maintaining a linear option with TV, albeit with perhaps a smaller network that would love to re-broadcast Apple programming in addition to Sports. Not being on ESPN or Fox though will mean you'd also be shut-out of a lot of the pre-game conversations, which is already happening as network's try to protect their investments.

If KGW broadcasts Ducks/Beavs games while we can watch them on Apple, I'm good with that.

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[GDuck]

It's not hard to look some of this up.

And those numbers are close enough to be a wash in the grand scheme of things.

I don't feel the need to look up specifics (for the purpose of inserting factoids into forum responses) because I generally read enough about these issues to have confidence in my claims. Was reading about market sizes last night. That's good enough for me. Good job though for looking it up yourself. Now look up the success and attractivenss of SDSU's football program compared to Colorado over the past decade.

Colorado didn't bring anything to the table that can't be reasonably replaced.

“A wash”? Interesting. Facts help bolster arguments. What you stated was an opinion based on anecdotal things you’ve read. We will agree to disagree but I do agree if the conference is to survive, they need SDSU at a minimum and even then, it may not. That’s my opinion. Don’t have much confidence in conference leaders to make the right decisions. Hope I’m wrong.

[pezsez1]

12.4 million households vs 11.8 million households would not spell doom for the conference. Context matters.

What you stated was an opinion based on anecdotal things you’ve read.

No, what I stated was a guestimate of figures based on facts that I read last night.

[GDuck]

12.4 million households vs 11.8 million households would not spell doom for the conference. Context matters.

What you stated was an opinion based on anecdotal things you’ve read.

No, what I stated was a guestimate of figures based on facts that I read last night.

Facts that don’t bolster your opinion.

[pezsez1]

Facts that absolutely backed up what I said. That's why I used them.

Your opinion seems to be that the rift between 12.4 million and 11.8 million is so massive that the conference couldn't possibly go on. If I'm incorrect, tell me how, because you're not being very clear.

[Duck07]

UC-B
30,886 Students, 17 Sports Teams, 399 Athletes
https://knightnewhousedata.org/fbs/pac- ... he_money-1

SDSU
31,323 Studentsk, 19 Sports Teams, 490 Athletes
https://knightnewhousedata.org/fbs/mwc/ ... he_money-1

Now since the Revenues were posted, and each school operates in the red by a similar amount ~1.5M, one area of interest is the % of those revenues and where they come from. 39% of UC-B's revenue is from their Rights fees alone (it's hilarious that it shows "post-season football" on the ledger) whereas only 12% of SDSU's revenue is from their Rights fees. That SDSU is able to operate with less rights fees while also getting a substantially higher number of contributions to the AD, I wouldn't scoff at them being ranked 58 vs Colorado's being ranked...52.

As a result of their move, they'll receive about 10.5M/year more than what they are currently getting (21M). It's a good move for them to leave but it also isn't like the Big 12 is getting some amazing brand full of winning programs; they're taking our weakest team.

I would think that SDSU moving up would look more like Utah in a decade's time than what Colorado managed to do.

[buckmarkduck]

Facts that absolutely backed up what I said. That's why I used them.

Your opinion seems to be that the rift between 12.4 million and 11.8 million is so massive that the conference couldn't possibly go on. If I'm incorrect, tell me how, because you're not being very clear.

12.4 mill were? 11mill of those only care about SC, and really only if SC is winning nattys. And to be honest, no one outside of the pac schools will consider us a power 5 conference. SoCal fans won’t be flocking to SDSU.

https://twitter.com/SpacesStoolies/stat ... 14112?s=20

[buckmarkduck]

https://twitter.com/KeatonItReal_/statu ... 06017?s=20

Sounds like the op thinks it could be OSU. The big 12 fans all hope not.

[Duck07]

https://twitter.com/KeatonItReal_/statu ... 06017?s=20

Sounds like the op thinks it could be OSU. The big 12 fans all hope not.

I'd think at least half of that 10.5M in new TV money would immediately get eaten up from the travel costs alone. They're at 11.6M in travel expenses currently.

[GDuck]

Facts that absolutely backed up what I said. That's why I used them.

Your opinion seems to be that the rift between 12.4 million and 11.8 million is so massive that the conference couldn't possibly go on. If I'm incorrect, tell me how, because you're not being very clear.

12.4 mill were? 11mill of those only care about SC, and really only if SC is winning nattys. And to be honest, no one outside of the pac schools will consider us a power 5 conference. SoCal fans won’t be flocking to SDSU.

https://twitter.com/SpacesStoolies/stat ... 14112?s=20

100%!

[Everythingsducky]

Never thought I would see this conference on life support. Absolutely piss-poor management of a storied conference. Once so forward looking, now so in the rear view mirror. Complete disappointment. Who is to blame? Conference AD’s? Presidents? This can’t totally fall on Kliavakoff (sp) alone.

[StevensTechU]

Never thought I would see this conference on life support. Absolutely piss-poor management of a storied conference. Once so forward looking, now so in the rear view mirror. Complete disappointment. Who is to blame? Conference AD’s? Presidents? This can’t totally fall on Kliavakoff (sp) alone.

Kliavkoff is probably one of the least responsible. He just came on the scene. Presidents, ADs, and Larry Scott would be your biggest culprits.