Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment

[Duck07]

Seems like a paltry amount of money for the additional travel costs they'll take on.

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Sounds like the op thinks it could be OSU. The big 12 fans all hope not.

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How ironic would that be if OSU is the team to ditch out of the Pac-12 before us?

Honestly, it makes sense, and isn't really surprising when you stop to think about it. They're better off jumping ship now for a P5 conference with a better payout, than waiting for the Pac12 to die and be stuck landing in the MWC. The only crappy thing about this is the inevitable end of a rivalry that's over a century old

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Big Dave occasionally comes up with decent info.

Going out on a limb here but I am guessing no one who truly knows what's going on is talking with Big Dave.



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[pezsez1]

Got it. In your warped world we should add SDSU, LBSU, SFSU, Chicago U, NYU and a school from Houston.

Just out of curiosity can you show us a team that moved up in the last 30 years, and added significant value to a power 5 league?

Cincinnati moving up to the Big 12 this year.

Why do you people come at me with such weakness?

[GDuck]

Got it. In your warped world we should add SDSU, LBSU, SFSU, Chicago U, NYU and a school from Houston.

Just out of curiosity can you show us a team that moved up in the last 30 years, and added significant value to a power 5 league?

Cincinnati moving up to the Big 12 this year.

Why do you people come at me with such weakness?

Cincinnati adds significant value? I think that is a stretch.

[Duck07]

Got it. In your warped world we should add SDSU, LBSU, SFSU, Chicago U, NYU and a school from Houston.

Just out of curiosity can you show us a team that moved up in the last 30 years, and added significant value to a power 5 league?

Cincinnati moving up to the Big 12 this year.

Why do you people come at me with such weakness?

I would have gone with Utah or TCU myself.

Boise State under Avalos is still a better school than CU football. Louisville is another solid mid-major type football program (to say nothing of basketball) that moved up to the ACC.

Shoot I'd give North Dakota State and their crazy-ass fans every chance in the world to become a more competent football program at this level than Colorado has shown to date.

[Duck07]

Cincinnati adds significant value? I think that is a stretch.

How many Playoff games have they played in?

[pezsez1]

I would have gone with Utah or TCU myself.

I'm just saying you don't have to look too far back for an example of a G5 school moving up and adding value to a P5 conference. It's literally happening this year.

Also, GDuck, quit moving the goal posts just because you're losing this. The discussion isn't a G5 school adding USC-like value. We're talking about a G5 school replacing the value of COLORADO, which has been the conference bottom feeder for most of the past decade. Pretty much any winning G5 school in our region with a comparable footprint does the job. SDSU more than clears the bar.

I feel like Allen Iverson here. We're talking about COLORADO.

[GDuck]

Cincinnati adds significant value? I think that is a stretch.

How many Playoff games have they played in?

I think they are overrated and will probably show in new conference. They didn’t play a strong schedule.

[GDuck]

I would have gone with Utah or TCU myself.

I'm just saying you don't have to look too far back for an example of a G5 school moving up and adding value to a P5 conference. It's literally happening this year.

Also, GDuck, quit moving the goal posts just because you're losing this. The discussion isn't a G5 school adding USC-like value. We're talking about a G5 school replacing the value of COLORADO, which has been the conference bottom feeder for most of the past decade. Pretty much any winning G5 school in our region with a comparable footprint does the job. SDSU more than clears the bar.

I feel like Alan Iverson here. We're talking about COLORADO.

“Losing this”. Interesting.

I’m not moving the goal posts. I’m using the words you are using - “significant value”. I don’t see SDSU adding “significant value”. I think the conference adding them is fine one way or the other. I don’t expect SDSU to join and consistently contend for conference titles (maybe more likely in bball but I’m skeptical there too). “Significant value” would mean contending often in major sports. I also don’t see having SDSU in conference will generally ensure top southern Cal talent will stay in the conference. If I was starting a conference from scratch at this time, I’d pick Colorado over SDSU but as I’ve previously stated, they both are low and aren’t that “significant “.

[DuckBomb2]

It's finally happening ... We just need Oregon State to leave and then USC and UCLA can rejoin. Revenue per team should go way up and the conference will be stronger than ever.

Joking obviously but wouldn't that be cool ...

[pezsez1]

“Significant value” would mean contending often in major sports. I also don’t see having SDSU in conference will generally ensure top southern Cal talent will stay in the conference. If I was starting a conference from scratch at this time, I’d pick Colorado over SDSU

So you think "significant value" is connected with success on the field, and yet with similar tv footprints you would still choose bottom-feeder Colorado over SDSU? That makes zero sense. SDSU is a G5 winner and would enter the Pac-12 as a mid-tier team at worse, already better than the Buffs have been for all but one year since their membership. Not to mention SDSU just played for the men's hoops title.

You don't think SDSU would get even better with Power 5 funding and recruiting advantages?

I honestly don't understand why this ever became a big deal or why we're still even talking about it, but we're talking about Colorado here. Not USC, not UCLA, not even Utah or Arizona. We're talking about Colorado.

I get it that the Pac isn't stable and losing any program is a big deal, but this is Colorado. If the Pac was going to lose one more school and still possibly be fine, it was Colorado. If our conference had proven & competent leadership the loss of Colorado wouldn't concern me in the slightest. It's hugely replaceable.

[Phalanx]

It's finally happening ... We just need Oregon State to leave and then USC and UCLA can rejoin. Revenue per team should go way up and the conference will be stronger than ever.

Joking obviously but wouldn't that be cool ...

This is an interesting point. If Oregon State jumps, they made that decision themselves and have to live with it. Nobody can blame Oregon for going to Big 10 or whatever they want to do.

[GDuck]

“Significant value” would mean contending often in major sports. I also don’t see having SDSU in conference will generally ensure top southern Cal talent will stay in the conference. If I was starting a conference from scratch at this time, I’d pick Colorado over SDSU

So you think "significant value" is connected with success on the field, and yet with similar tv footprints you would still choose bottom-feeder Colorado over SDSU? That makes zero sense. SDSU is a G5 winner and would enter the Pac-12 as a mid-tier team at worse, already better than the Buffs have been for all but one year since their membership. Not to mention SDSU just played for the men's hoops title.

You don't think SDSU would get even better with Power 5 funding and recruiting advantages?

I honestly don't understand why this ever became a big deal or why we're still even talking about it, but we're talking about Colorado here. Not USC, not UCLA, not even Utah or Arizona. We're talking about Colorado.

I get it that the Pac isn't stable and losing any program is a big deal, but this is Colorado. If the Pac was going to lose one more school and still possibly be fine, it was Colorado. If our conference had proven & competent leadership the loss of Colorado wouldn't concern me in the slightest. It's hugely replaceable.

We’re talking about it because Pac-12 isn’t stable and losing another school shows that regardless if it is lowly Colorado. Canzano discussed this issue - whether SDSU is an upgrade or not.

I already gave my opinion on the TV footprint comparison. Colorado doesn’t have the competition for eyes that southern Cal has. SDSU is 3rd in line and it’s not like southern Cal supports their college teams well anyway. Plus I don’t think you can overlook the Deion impact and interest there.

I think SDSU could relatively improve in the Pac-12 with more funding but I’m not sold their presence will be significant. Yes they made it a long ways in the bball tourney this past year and hence why I say their bball team has more potential, but I expect they may also wear down more with a Pac-12 schedule vs what they’ve done previously.

Interesting looking at what Vegas thinks when comparing Colorado and SDSU to win next season national championship (I acknowledge football is harder to win when not in Top 5 conferences).

Approximate average of 5-6 betting services:
Football - Col 275-1, SDSU 750-1
Basketball - Col 80-1, SDSU 90-1

In the end, I’m not optimistic at all with the Pac-12 when looking at all factors and SDSU doesn’t improve my outlook.

[pezsez1]

In the end, I’m not optimistic at all with the Pac-12 when looking at all factors and SDSU doesn’t improve my outlook.

That's fair. Even if SDSU adds significant enough value to replace what was lost with Colorado, losing Colorado before solidifying a media deal will make reaching that deal much more difficult -- and the Pac won't/can't expand until it actually has a deal in place.