Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 Realignment

[buckmarkduck]

To be fair to sheer he said Friday the deal would be presented Tuesday, 3 days before anyone else said it. And he isn’t a BIG 12 guy, he is a UA guy. The only trolls are turning out to be JC and GK through this entire thing.

[greenyellow]

To be fair to sheer he said Friday the deal would be presented Tuesday, 3 days before anyone else said it. And he isn’t a BIG 12 guy, he is a UA guy. The only trolls are turning out to be JC and GK through this entire thing.

Scheer has been clamoring for Arizona to join the Big 12 ever since UCLA/USC left. He also spread some rumors that turned out completely false last season so his credibility isn't exactly the greatest.

[pezsez1]

Actually nobody has said the deal would be presented Tuesday, and it most likely won't be presented Tuesday. That's tomorrow. It's more likely to be presented Wednesday.

As of this morning, the Pac-12 presidents didn't even know exactly when it would be presented so I doubt some AZ "insider" knew last week. Clearly, he didn't. His sources are probably peripheral players who don't actually have first-hand knowledge.

[pezsez1]

the Big 12 is their grant of rights that last through 2111 and penalty for any exiting team to pay 2 years worth of revenue

Holy crap, I had no clue about that. That's insanity lol.

Oregon/Washington should be fighting tooth and nail to avoid the Big-12 at all costs. Imagine being locked into that big, crappy conference for the rest of our lifetimes lol.

[greenyellow]

the Big 12 is their grant of rights that last through 2111 and penalty for any exiting team to pay 2 years worth of revenue

Holy crap, I had no clue about that. That's insanity lol.

Oregon/Washington should be fighting tooth and nail to avoid the Big-12 at all costs. Imagine being locked into that big, crappy conference for the rest of our lifetimes lol.

I heard about it while listening to the Scoop Duck podcast last night. I looked it up this morning and it's pretty true. That GOR and revenue penalty are what held up OU and Texas from going to the SEC sooner. Here's a link to the bylaws and quotes highlighting the associated GOR/revenue penalty.

https://static.big12sports.com/custompa ... bylaws.pdf

1.2.3 Agreement to Membership. Each Member agrees with the Conference and with each of the other Members to remain a member of the Conference for ninety-nine (99) years beginning July 1, 2012.

3.4 Buyout Amount. Any Withdrawing Member shall pay to the Conference a commitment buyout fee (the “Buyout Amount”) in an amount equal to the sum of the amount of distributions that otherwise would be paid to the Member during the final two years of its membership in the Conference.

[DmoneyDuck]

14+ months of this nonsense. The media and mega-conferences are definitely doing their best to destroy traditional conferences and geographical rivalries.

At this point, I just hope Oregon becomes trailblazers and goes the Independent route, using their brand name to their advantage, and possibly looking to become the Notre Dame of the Pacific. I would be interested to see if a streaming service would sign up to be an exclusive carrier of their games. I bet more people would tune into a Noon game on Apple TV than those wonderful 730 local kickoffs on ESPN.

The schedule would be really intriguing year to year as well, as Oregon wouldn't be tied to a weak conference and, to an extent, a weak conference reputation.

[squintsdd]

14+ months of this nonsense. The media and mega-conferences are definitely doing their best to destroy traditional conferences and geographical rivalries.

At this point, I just hope Oregon becomes trailblazers and goes the Independent route, using their brand name to their advantage, and possibly looking to become the Notre Dame of the Pacific. I would be interested to see if a streaming service would sign up to be an exclusive carrier of their games. I bet more people would tune into a Noon game on Apple TV than those wonderful 730 local kickoffs on ESPN.

The schedule would be really intriguing year to year as well, as Oregon wouldn't be tied to a weak conference and, to an extent, a weak conference reputation.

I doubt Oregon would survive like notre Dame if they went independent. Oregon doesn't have the national following, and the money they would be looking for would make it so it's not worth it to whatever media outlet picked them up.

[SuperDuck]

I watched College Football Live today and they said that "all of the media offers will be presented to Pac-12 Presidents tomorrow".

They also said that Arizona is considering the Big-12, depending on those numbers, but they don't want to go alone. They don't want to be looked at as the "team that destroyed the conference", so if they DO make the move, they're wanting ASU (Who shares a Board of Regents with UA) and Utah to come with them.

They said that Oregon and UW might be considered for the Big-10 "at a discount", depending on the numbers they're offered this week. The thought is that those two schools may just become Independents for 2-3 years until they can find a decent conference deal.

[buckmarkduck]

I watched College Football Live today and they said that "all of the media offers will be presented to Pac-12 Presidents tomorrow".

They also said that Arizona is considering the Big-12, depending on those numbers, but they don't want to go alone. They don't want to be looked at as the "team that destroyed the conference", so if they DO make the move, they're wanting ASU (Who shares a Board of Regents with UA) and Utah to come with them.

They said that Oregon and UW might be considered for the Big-10 "at a discount", depending on the numbers they're offered this week. The thought is that those two schools may just become Independents for 2-3 years until they can find a decent conference deal.

Clearly Big 12 disinformation

[pezsez1]

Clearly Big 12 disinformation

Nobody is disputing that AZ may have one foot out the door. Even JC (who you think is a Pac-12 shill) indicated he believes that to be the case even though the other Pac-12 presidents are strongly denying it.

The question at hand is whether the Pac-12 is going to live or die, and whether there will be a media deal that's good enough to keep the core of the conference intact so that losses can be backfilled.

We'll see if the media agreement rolls out tomorrow (I've still not seen that credibly reported in writing anywhere) and whether the conference stays intact in the days afterward. I'd still put my money on the conference staying intact. Seems to be what most Pac-12 members want, and, like I said, I doubt the comissioner would present a deal at this point which would spell certain doom for the conference.

If the numbers really are that low (like $200 million total) then I do think that would change the calculus and perhaps encourage the B1G to scoop us up at a discount... but so far, pretty much all credible reporting indicates zero desire from the B1G to do so.

[Duck07]

I'm waiting for the Phil Knight 200M$ donation to Ducks Rising.

Just go scorched earth in FB, MBB and WBB these next few years.

[pezsez1]

My turn to share a rumor:

https://twitter.com/MHver3

No idea how trustworthy this guy is or how often he's been wrong before, but I could see a deal like the one he describes (which aligns with the other 200m rumor) being enough to save the conference.

With a deal like this, $200m is basically the floor, but most of the incumbent schools (without mathing this too hard) would probably end up with $25 million-ish per year. Oregon, Washington and Utah would probably come out a bit better because of certain fund distributions based on previous win-loss records. (Worth noting, Arizona would not really benefit here considering how bad they've been.)

Another key detail here: Apple would give a one-time payment to buy the Pac-12's comcast debt and also assume control and costs of running the Pac-12 network.

Cost to subscribers: $1 add-on per quarter. (Love that, but I already have Apple TV.)

The deal would also give just half shares to new members, leaving more for the incumbets to divvy up. (Again, worth noting, Arizona leaving would actually be good for remaining conference members that stay put.)

Probably would have actually been on par with the Big-12 had Colorado not left, but this isn't a terrible deal considering most of the college football world had written the conference off for dead. I'd hope Oregon would take this deal rather than jump to the Big-12 and be locked in there until 2111.

[lmduck]

My turn to share a rumor:

https://twitter.com/MHver3

No idea how trustworthy this guy is or how often he's been wrong before, but I could see a deal like the one he describes (which aligns with the other 200m rumor) being enough to save the conference.

With a deal like this, $200m is basically the floor, but most of the incumbent schools (without mathing this too hard) would probably end up with $25 million-ish per year. Oregon, Washington and Utah would probably come out a bit better because of certain fund distributions based on previous win-loss records. (Worth noting, Arizona would not really benefit here considering how bad they've been.)

Another key detail here: Apple would give a one-time payment to buy the Pac-12's comcast debt and also assume control and costs of running the Pac-12 network.

Cost to subscribers: $1 add-on per quarter. (Love that, but I already have Apple TV.)

The deal would also give just half shares to new members, leaving more for the incumbets to divvy up. (Again, worth noting, Arizona leaving would actually be good for remaining conference members that stay put.)

Probably would have actually been on par with the Big-12 had Colorado not left, but this isn't a terrible deal considering most of the college football world had written the conference off for dead. I'd hope Oregon would take this deal rather than jump to the Big-12 and be locked in there until 2111.

This guy has surfaced off and on during this whole thing and claims to have sources in the Big10 offices but most people are very dubious of him.


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[greenyellow]

Some are taking Lanning signing the deal and Mullens' statements as a sign that Oregon is pretty comfortable with whatever happens in the future with regards to conference realignment.

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[Phalanx]

What statements has Mullens made?

It does seem like this situation hasn't really affected recruiting a lot. Like Lanning said in the presser, Oregon will be fine as long as they continue to have great facilities and bring in great talent and coach them up. Seems like the Oregon brand is strong and somebody will want the ducks. I'm guessing that bit about signing their life away made them shy away from the Big 12.

I imagine the AD's for Oregon and Washington are on the phone a little these days. Interesting times.