Week 2 - What do we think we know

[Tray Dub]

Allowing 282 yards through the air in todays game is a pretty good performance by the secondary.

Allowing 282 passing yards per game would've put a team 125th in the country last year, out of 131 teams. Although we ranked 110th last year in that metric so I guess it's not so bad if that's your standard.

If Bassa goes down, we give up like 220 for the game. Instead we played the prevent, and let TS pad his stats.

251, they threw for 31 yards that final drive. Empty calorie yards are part of the season totals for every teams so it's convenient to only ignore them for us, plus those yards did in fact matter since it was a one-score game.

And if we're adding context to the numbers, our pass game performance not only got us gashed through the air but also let Shough scramble for over 100. If Tyler Shough can do that to us what do you think Caleb Williams will do?

[lmduck]

I think people are under interpreting how much MULTIPLE 1st and 15 situations and how some of the field positions screw up the playcalling capabilities we saw in the 2nd/3rd quarters


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This 100%. It severely limits your playcalling. Especially if you are wanting to establish the run. Running for 3-4 yards, you still have 2 and long.

Connely played well. The false starts weren’t totally his fault, and Lanning even said so after the game. TT D was calling out fake cadence which the pac refs refused to throw a flag on.

Our LB aren’t great, but Brown 100% wasn’t going to help. He is playing about 10 plays a game for Louisville right now. Our LB recruiting has been bad for 5-6 years now. Recruiting isn’t just star rating, it’s coaches evaluating also.

^^^^^^^

This- 1000%


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[dthomas=ddixon]

Allowing 282 yards through the air in todays game is a pretty good performance by the secondary.

Allowing 282 passing yards per game would've put a team 125th in the country last year, out of 131 teams. Although we ranked 110th last year in that metric so I guess it's not so bad if that's your standard.

I wasn’t talking about per game average. In the context of this game it was a pretty good performance.

[Phalanx]

Allowing 282 yards through the air in todays game is a pretty good performance by the secondary.

Allowing 282 passing yards per game would've put a team 125th in the country last year, out of 131 teams. Although we ranked 110th last year in that metric so I guess it's not so bad if that's your standard.

Thanks for looking this up. For this season after two games, 282 yds/game would rank 110th out of 132. The 456 total yards would rank 120th so far this year, just ahead of Stanford. So yeah, pretty bad. Also, Shough passed for 31 yards on the last drive before throwing the Hail Mary pick. But honestly, these stats are compared to other teams throughout the country who also had prevent defenses and last-minute attempts. That's how stats work. Those yards are not that artificial.

Edit: For some reason, I am just now seeing your post that already covered most of this. Sorry for duplicate info.

[ducks5ever]

Allowing 282 yards through the air in todays game is a pretty good performance by the secondary.

Allowing 282 passing yards per game would've put a team 125th in the country last year, out of 131 teams. Although we ranked 110th last year in that metric so I guess it's not so bad if that's your standard.

282 yards is a lot and ideally we don't give up that much in the future. But context is just as important. We know the LB's (outside OLB) are not our strong suit this year. Texas Tech had 10 passing plays of over 10 yards and 5 that went for 20 or more yards. 3/10 of those 10+ and 2/5 of the 20+ yard plays were on that second drive of the 3rd quarter where the defense was playing subpar football.

Point here is that the pass defense wasn't getting repeatedly beaten. They were being nickel and dimed most of the night on these short <10 yard passes. Often times, that coverage responsibility is just as much on the LB's as it is on the secondary. But as we know, the LB's have their limitations this year and they were already struggling with containing Shough. So yes it added up to an unacceptably high number but it honestly didn't look that bad. Of course the defense can and needs to play better but based on what I saw last night, it did its part to put the offense in a position to win.

[buckmarkduck]

Trying to summarize a few things in my own head after the first two games of the year.

1. The defense has improved, but still isn't championship level. Pass rush, defensive backfield, and 3rd down defense aren't the envy of many people, but better than they were a year ago.

2. Our linebackers largely stink. I wonder about the Keith Brown situation, because we're starting a walk on with a safety build at inside linebacker and only one guy is injured. I see a need to go fishing in the portal here this off-season.

3. Our OL is good at pass pro, but doesn't have the maulers for run blocking. For the limitations athletically of last year's group, guys like Bass and Sala could push over a tank. Only JPJ is that guy this year.

4. Conerly still has a ways to go. He's a true sophomore and gifted enough to be an NFL guy someday, but right now he's one of the worst starting left tackles we've had in the last twenty years (we've been gifted with a lot of good ones, so it's a high bar).

5. Bo Nix doesn't want to run. It reminds me of Herbert's last season where you could see the offense get handicapped by the desire to keep him in the pocket. Glad he made a play yesterday on that 3rd and long, but it's clear Stein and Nix are playing to prevent injuries not maximize points. Given our lack of depth, hopefully that's prudent.

Interesting. QB11 on his podcast said the exact opposite on Conerly. Said our tackles this year are probably the best pass blocking pair of tackles we have had in a long time. He pointed out in his film study that the main issues was from the interior OL vs TT, and that our two guards that are injured right now are far better than the two current starters.

[OregonFan4Life]

Trying to summarize a few things in my own head after the first two games of the year.

1. The defense has improved, but still isn't championship level. Pass rush, defensive backfield, and 3rd down defense aren't the envy of many people, but better than they were a year ago.

2. Our linebackers largely stink. I wonder about the Keith Brown situation, because we're starting a walk on with a safety build at inside linebacker and only one guy is injured. I see a need to go fishing in the portal here this off-season.

3. Our OL is good at pass pro, but doesn't have the maulers for run blocking. For the limitations athletically of last year's group, guys like Bass and Sala could push over a tank. Only JPJ is that guy this year.

4. Conerly still has a ways to go. He's a true sophomore and gifted enough to be an NFL guy someday, but right now he's one of the worst starting left tackles we've had in the last twenty years (we've been gifted with a lot of good ones, so it's a high bar).

5. Bo Nix doesn't want to run. It reminds me of Herbert's last season where you could see the offense get handicapped by the desire to keep him in the pocket. Glad he made a play yesterday on that 3rd and long, but it's clear Stein and Nix are playing to prevent injuries not maximize points. Given our lack of depth, hopefully that's prudent.

Interesting. QB11 on his podcast said the exact opposite on Conerly. Said our tackles this year are probably the best pass blocking pair of tackles we have had in a long time. He pointed out in his film study that the main issues was from the interior OL vs TT, and that our two guards that are injured right now are far better than the two current starters.

I think people just saw the multiple false starts and are assuming he’s bad, but actually watching him block shows he’s dominant.

[lmduck]

Trying to summarize a few things in my own head after the first two games of the year.

1. The defense has improved, but still isn't championship level. Pass rush, defensive backfield, and 3rd down defense aren't the envy of many people, but better than they were a year ago.

2. Our linebackers largely stink. I wonder about the Keith Brown situation, because we're starting a walk on with a safety build at inside linebacker and only one guy is injured. I see a need to go fishing in the portal here this off-season.

3. Our OL is good at pass pro, but doesn't have the maulers for run blocking. For the limitations athletically of last year's group, guys like Bass and Sala could push over a tank. Only JPJ is that guy this year.

4. Conerly still has a ways to go. He's a true sophomore and gifted enough to be an NFL guy someday, but right now he's one of the worst starting left tackles we've had in the last twenty years (we've been gifted with a lot of good ones, so it's a high bar).

5. Bo Nix doesn't want to run. It reminds me of Herbert's last season where you could see the offense get handicapped by the desire to keep him in the pocket. Glad he made a play yesterday on that 3rd and long, but it's clear Stein and Nix are playing to prevent injuries not maximize points. Given our lack of depth, hopefully that's prudent.

Have been told by multiple people who were around the team last year that their assessment was Keith Brown was 'average talent'. Was told this was another one of Mario's 'lots of stars from the recruiting services means he's really good'. I personally am in no position to judge but the fact that he is not playing a lot at Louisville might be another indicator.

[GrandpaDuck]

Number 6) Noah Whittingham should be our 5th back to use in short yardage particularly if you're going to run up the middle. We knew this last year. That sequence of Whittingham twice then a QB sneak with 11 men and the cheerleaders lined up in the a-gaps was brutal.

Back to 5) I believe Nix was under orders to not run in the first half and if they were ahead he probably wouldn't have run in the second. I don't expect him to rush more than 2 or 3 times against Hawaii. But will likely have at least 10 attempts versus Colorado.

[StevensTechU]

I think people just saw the multiple false starts and are assuming he’s bad, but actually watching him block shows he’s dominant.

He looked confused a few times against PSU, where it fortunately didn't matter a lot because of the talent differential at the skill positions. He was good in pass blocking against TTU, so-so in run blocking, and had the flags. He is good at using his athletic ability to stay in front of guys, but less good at moving his man and chipping and getting downfield on linebackers. He'll grow, but I don't see him becoming a people mover this year and I wonder how he'll do against Jordan Burch and Brandon Dorlus types.

Have been told by multiple people who were around the team last year that their assessment was Keith Brown was 'average talent'. Was told this was another one of Mario's 'lots of stars from the recruiting services means he's really good'. I personally am in no position to judge but the fact that he is not playing a lot at Louisville might be another indicator.

I'm in full agreement with this. Back when I did my own ratings of the players in that class, I said Keith was overrated by the services. He actually out-played my expectations, and turned into a solidly average linebacker by his second year. But, wild as it sounds, our linebackers are so bad that him simply being average would be a step up. Bassa isn't as good in coverage as you'd expect a former safety to be, and in run support he seems to aim for the middle of the nearest pulling blocker and throw his 100-less-pounds into him, but then make 1-2 big plays a game usually rushing the QB. Jamal Hill is a worse version of Bassa. I understand the Harrison Taggart move to BYU to be closer to home, but I don't understand Brown going to Louisville.

[ld2001]

I think what I know now, is I'm not totally convinced of this team. And by extension, I'm not totally convinced of Dan Lanning. I don't see enough discipline in this team, and I don't think our coordinators are good enough and that's on the head coach. 4 loss season coming.

[droop10]

I think what I know now, is I'm not totally convinced of this team. And by extension, I'm not totally convinced of Dan Lanning. I don't see enough discipline in this team, and I don't think our coordinators are good enough and that's on the head coach. 4 loss season coming.

lol, the expectations of some in this fan base are absurd. You've already made an assessment on an OC based on 1 game where the offense put up 500 yards of offense and 31 points on the road? This despite a completely revamped OL, and a number of drives that started with 1st and 15+. A rebuild of the defense was never going to happen overnight. It's a little easier to speed it up with the portal these days, but to truly build an elite defense you can't be relying on a ton of transfers. You aren't going to find a lot of elite transfers in one year. So, you need the young guys to grow and learn from game experience. Not saying Lupoi is the answer, but both Hampton and Stein have shown success at prior stops. Basing opinions of them on 1 random game is a bit extreme.

[lmduck]

I think what I know now, is I'm not totally convinced of this team. And by extension, I'm not totally convinced of Dan Lanning. I don't see enough discipline in this team, and I don't think our coordinators are good enough and that's on the head coach. 4 loss season coming.

lol, the expectations of some in this fan base are absurd. You've already made an assessment on an OC based on 1 game where the offense put up 500 yards of offense and 31 points on the road? This despite a completely revamped OL, and a number of drives that started with 1st and 15+. A rebuild of the defense was never going to happen overnight. It's a little easier to speed it up with the portal these days, but to truly build an elite defense you can't be relying on a ton of transfers. You aren't going to find a lot of elite transfers in one year. So, you need the young guys to grow and learn from game experience. Not saying Lupoi is the answer, but both Hampton and Stein have shown success at prior stops. Basing opinions of them on 1 random game is a bit extreme.

Yikes. No one is forcing you to support them. It is a choice.


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[squintsdd]

Geez, the sky is falling and Oregon is 2 - 0. The LB group was bad last year and the one major addition that can have an impact this season has yet to see the field this year. We all knew it was going to be a bad, short handed group going into this season, so why is everyone so shocked? The defense got 4 sacks, and plenty of pressure against a team that is expected to make some noise in the big12. You all act like the QB should be rushing to throw on every play.

As far as coaches, give Lanning some time beyond one recruiting class to get some work in with players he actually brings in. Hell, give time beyond 2 games to get this team in sync. I'm also willing to bet that we haven't seen everything the offense had to offer. That should be pretty evident by the fact that Nix didn't start running the ball until the second half. I would venture to guess that we won't see the full extent of the offense until the Colorado game

[lmduck]

Geez, the sky is falling and Oregon is 2 - 0. The LB group was bad last year and the one major addition that have an impact this season has yet to see the field this year. We all knew it was going to a bad, short handed group going into this season, so why is everyone so shocked? They got 4 sacks, and plenty of pressure against a team that is expected to make some noise in the big12. You all act like the QB should be rushing to throw on every play.

As far as coaches, give Lanning some time beyond one recruiting class to get some work in with players he actually brings in. Hell, give time beyond 2 games to get this team in sync. I'm also willing to bet that we haven't seen everything the offense had to offer. That should be pretty evident by the fact that Nix didn't start running the ball until the second half. I would venture to guess that we won't see the full extent of the offense until the Colorado game

Stop making sense Squintsdd[WINKING FACE]


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