Week 2 - What do we think we know

[gogreen55]

I think what I know now, is I'm not totally convinced of this team. And by extension, I'm not totally convinced of Dan Lanning. I don't see enough discipline in this team, and I don't think our coordinators are good enough and that's on the head coach. 4 loss season coming.

In terms of discipline, if the incredible barrage of penalties and lack of football intelligence were to become a consistent pattern, I would agree. Right down to, and including, the very last hail mary, the Ducks did virtually everything a team can possibly do wrong from a mental standpoint. The last 1:30 of the game alone contained 4 mental errors that would be on a teaching tape of what not to do at the end of games. That being said, unless this becomes some sort of common occurrence, I will just assume it is more of the exception rather than the norm.

As for the coordinators, too soon to make any definitive judgements regarding them. This team had a lot of question marks heading into the season and only time will answer them. Any rational fan knew this roster had some strengths and glaring weaknesses before the season began. The vast majority of teams across the country, even the ranked ones, are in the same boat. So yeah, of course nobody should be "totally convinced" of this team.

[buckmarkduck]

I assume there is a reason Kyree didn’t see the field much for Bama, and it’s not that he wasn’t talented. He just seems to lose his head out there. Lanning will need another year to really get his guys in here. Scoopduck posts the former players stats weekly, and it’s sad how bad a lot of supposedly great recruits under Mario, aren’t doing anything at their new school. MC classes are seeming more like paper tigers and not the great classes we all thought at the time.

[dthomas=ddixon]

I assume there is a reason Kyree didn’t see the field much for Bama, and it’s not that he wasn’t talented. He just seems to lose his head out there. Lanning will need another year to really get his guys in here. Scoopduck posts the former players stats weekly, and it’s sad how bad a lot of supposedly great recruits under Mario, aren’t doing anything at their new school. MC classes are seeming more like paper tigers and not the great classes we all thought at the time.

The other side of that coin is how much better Lanning’s defensive recruits are already proving to be than the remaining Mario guys. The freshman along the front 7 are going to see serious playing time, and some will probably take over the starting role before too long.

In addition, those guys will only get better as the season goes on where guys like Funa are what they are at this point. Our defense is improved and I expect it to get significantly better as the season goes on.

[StevensTechU]

The other side of that coin is how much better Lanning’s defensive recruits are already proving to be than the remaining Mario guys. The freshman along the front 7 are going to see serious playing time, and some will probably take over the starting role before too long.

In addition, those guys will only get better as the season goes on where guys like Funa are what they are at this point. Our defense is improved and I expect it to get significantly better as the season goes on.

It would be an interesting thread itself to compare. Mario had crappy OL recruits in the beginning, but was getting very good toward the end and I would say better than Lanning's thus far. Conversely, I completely agree DL's DL recruiting is way better.

[buckmarkduck]

From qb11

https://x.com/Qb11Sd/status/1701610993888141750?s=20

[gogreen55]

From qb11

https://x.com/Qb11Sd/status/1701610993888141750?s=20

I hope he is right about the offensive line. The worst case scenario would be that these guys just aren't physically capable of paving the way for a rushing attack that is at least close to as effective as last season. If they can't do that, nothing else really matters since the Ducks will be f'ed against the better teams in the conference. If they can do that, then there isn't a game on the schedule that feels completely unwinnable. Obviously, the odds are they won't win them all regardless, but they will at least have a realistic shot each week (injuries permitting).

[StevensTechU]

QB11 reminds me of a lot of guys who sort of blind their audience with jargon and then say something that you know isn't right but most feel like they can't challenge it. For instance - Texas Tech's DTs will not be the best that Oregon faces this year. While not bad, Jaylon Hutchings was honorable mention all-conference last season and probably will go undrafted. Bradford and Ledet aren't NFL guys either. So you look ahead and you see USC with Bear Alexander (most NFL upside) and Jack Sullivan and Kyon Barrs (more college production and accolades), and you bust that myth right away. I'd say washington's DTs are probably better, as well, and they benefit a lot from really good edges on both sides. I'm not as familiar with who Utah is throwing out there, but having watched a couple of their games, I'd bet they might be better than TTU's guys, as well.

[buckmarkduck]

QB11 reminds me of a lot of guys who sort of blind their audience with jargon and then say something that you know isn't right but most feel like they can't challenge it. For instance - Texas Tech's DTs will not be the best that Oregon faces this year. While not bad, Jaylon Hutchings was honorable mention all-conference last season and probably will go undrafted. Bradford and Ledet aren't NFL guys either. So you look ahead and you see USC with Bear Alexander (most NFL upside) and Jack Sullivan and Kyon Barrs (more college production and accolades), and you bust that myth right away. I'd say washington's DTs are probably better, as well, and they benefit a lot from really good edges on both sides. I'm not as familiar with who Utah is throwing out there, but having watched a couple of their games, I'd bet they might be better than TTU's guys, as well.

I would agree, except his dad is a retired NFL scout, and he learned a lot from him.

As for DT, that imho is the best front we see as a unit. Alexander -UGA coaches said they hated him and were basically told him to leave. Said he was lazy and had a bad attitude. Maybe he changes, but Riley and Grinch have never shown the ability to coach DL up.

[dthomas=ddixon]

QB11 reminds me of a lot of guys who sort of blind their audience with jargon and then say something that you know isn't right but most feel like they can't challenge it. For instance - Texas Tech's DTs will not be the best that Oregon faces this year. While not bad, Jaylon Hutchings was honorable mention all-conference last season and probably will go undrafted. Bradford and Ledet aren't NFL guys either. So you look ahead and you see USC with Bear Alexander (most NFL upside) and Jack Sullivan and Kyon Barrs (more college production and accolades), and you bust that myth right away. I'd say washington's DTs are probably better, as well, and they benefit a lot from really good edges on both sides. I'm not as familiar with who Utah is throwing out there, but having watched a couple of their games, I'd bet they might be better than TTU's guys, as well.

I would agree, except his dad is a retired NFL scout, and he learned a lot from him.

QB11’s biggest flaw is that he loves the ducks, so he can be a bit of a homer at times. But that’s nitpicking.

Between QB11 and Hythloday you can get a pretty accurate view of the teams talent and coaching, IMO. Don’t know how many fan bases have two guys that consistently put out quality, in-depth film review and analysis for free.

[StevensTechU]

I would agree, except his dad is a retired NFL scout, and he learned a lot from him.

As for DT, that imho is the best front we see as a unit. Alexander -UGA coaches said they hated him and were basically told him to leave. Said he was lazy and had a bad attitude. Maybe he changes, but Riley and Grinch have never shown the ability to coach DL up.

My dad worked in a titanium factory. I know jack about smelting metal. But that association probably is another reason people are reluctant to challenge things. I think he just has blinders. Lots of smart people convince themselves of things that aren't true because of emotions. Just is what it is.

For whatever personal flaws Alexander has, he has more pressures this year than the entire TTU front through the third week.

[OregonFan4Life]

QB11 reminds me of a lot of guys who sort of blind their audience with jargon and then say something that you know isn't right but most feel like they can't challenge it. For instance - Texas Tech's DTs will not be the best that Oregon faces this year. While not bad, Jaylon Hutchings was honorable mention all-conference last season and probably will go undrafted. Bradford and Ledet aren't NFL guys either. So you look ahead and you see USC with Bear Alexander (most NFL upside) and Jack Sullivan and Kyon Barrs (more college production and accolades), and you bust that myth right away. I'd say washington's DTs are probably better, as well, and they benefit a lot from really good edges on both sides. I'm not as familiar with who Utah is throwing out there, but having watched a couple of their games, I'd bet they might be better than TTU's guys, as well.

I know QB11 isn’t perfect but he’s better than other Duck podcasts and I just want to listen to duck podcasts so I listen to him. I sometimes listen to Autzen Audibles but IMO they’re not near as good as QB11. I’d love to have a truly unbiased and objective ducks podcast though, not one that thinks the sky is falling but not one that at is an Oregon homer, and one who is a football genius but knows how to explain it to fans like me that love watching football but have never played it before. I miss the old days of FishDuck.

[StevensTechU]

Yea, the duck podcast selection isn't great, despite there being so many. I do enjoy hythloday's analysis, but would like more commentary on who's consistently playing well/not playing well. I used to really enjoy when someone on the old 247 site would score the linebackers every game.

[lmduck]

QB11 reminds me of a lot of guys who sort of blind their audience with jargon and then say something that you know isn't right but most feel like they can't challenge it. For instance - Texas Tech's DTs will not be the best that Oregon faces this year. While not bad, Jaylon Hutchings was honorable mention all-conference last season and probably will go undrafted. Bradford and Ledet aren't NFL guys either. So you look ahead and you see USC with Bear Alexander (most NFL upside) and Jack Sullivan and Kyon Barrs (more college production and accolades), and you bust that myth right away. I'd say washington's DTs are probably better, as well, and they benefit a lot from really good edges on both sides. I'm not as familiar with who Utah is throwing out there, but having watched a couple of their games, I'd bet they might be better than TTU's guys, as well.

I would agree, except his dad is a retired NFL scout, and he learned a lot from him.

As for DT, that imho is the best front we see as a unit. Alexander -UGA coaches said they hated him and were basically told him to leave. Said he was lazy and had a bad attitude. Maybe he changes, but Riley and Grinch have never shown the ability to coach DL up.

There was a reason Dan did not go after Alexander and you nailed it Buckmark.

[GrandpaDuck]

Yea, the duck podcast selection isn't great, despite there being so many. I do enjoy hythloday's analysis, but would like more commentary on who's consistently playing well/not playing well. I used to really enjoy when someone on the old 247 site would score the linebackers every game.

I thought his Linebacker rankings were really suspect, then one day he posted his scoring methodology and it was absurd. It was funny seeing scores listed with decimal point accuracy to make it look like it was some kind of highly precise system when it was actually a stupid scoring scale subjectively measured by someone without access to the play calls, the assignment on those plays, used TV broadcast "film" and limited knowledge of what he was watching. Other than that it was good stuff.

In my book QB11 is fine for the price, and you get some interesting opinions that are debatable not gospel. Hythoday's stuff is better, maybe the best available and fairest.

[JIDuck97]

QB11 reminds me of a lot of guys who sort of blind their audience with jargon and then say something that you know isn't right but most feel like they can't challenge it. For instance - Texas Tech's DTs will not be the best that Oregon faces this year. While not bad, Jaylon Hutchings was honorable mention all-conference last season and probably will go undrafted. Bradford and Ledet aren't NFL guys either. So you look ahead and you see USC with Bear Alexander (most NFL upside) and Jack Sullivan and Kyon Barrs (more college production and accolades), and you bust that myth right away. I'd say washington's DTs are probably better, as well, and they benefit a lot from really good edges on both sides. I'm not as familiar with who Utah is throwing out there, but having watched a couple of their games, I'd bet they might be better than TTU's guys, as well.

Have you checked out Locked On Ducks? As a Podcaster Spencer is one of my favorites. He also runs Locked On Pac12. Hythloday is absolutely the best for knowledge but Locked On Ducks is enjoyable. IMO for his podcasts I like Hythloday best on his appearances on the Quack12 podcasts because when he is on there he is only talking about football.