Chip Kelly Uncomfortable Around Black Players?

[pezsez1]

Actually, I think racist is a good word to describe someone who constantly thinks in terms of race, who is preoccupied with race, and who perpetually blames interpersonal conflict on race. I'm not sure what other term would better fit those traits.

I can't think of a worse description of racism, and it genuinely makes me a little sad that this is where we're at as a society.

[OregonFan4Life]

Actually, I think racist is a good word to describe someone who constantly thinks in terms of race, who is preoccupied with race, and who perpetually blames interpersonal conflict on race. I'm not sure what other term would better fit those traits.

I can't think of a worse description of racism, and it genuinely makes me a little sad that this is where we're at as a society.

I have two legitimate questions for you, just out of curious. Not trying to engage in this argument but I’m legit curious how a liberal would answer these questions (as a conservative I enjoy civil conversations with liberals but it is hard to find those willing to engage in civil debates with those they disagree with).

1) What would you describe as racism?

2) Let’s say JJ Reddick did a podcast and in a very similar fashion said that Doc Rivers is uncomfortable around white players, would this be perceived any different by you and society in general?

[spacefrog13x]

He isnt an racist, he is an awkward asshole around everybody.

[pezsez1]

1) What would you describe as racism?

2) Let’s say JJ Reddick did a podcast and in a very similar fashion said that Doc Rivers is uncomfortable around white players, would this be perceived any different by you and society in general?

That's a very good question, and not one I can answer succinctly without giving it far more thought than I have time for right now, so instead I'm going to borrow a line from Ted Lasso.

"I'm gonna put it the same way the US Supreme Court did back in 1964 when they defined pornography. It ain't easy to explain, but you know it when you see it."

A jilted player who was shipped off for bad behavior attacking his coach years later ain't it. He's just being a vindicative asshole. He's not giving any commentary on white people in general, he's just attacking Chip Kelly over a personal grudge. It's chickenshit of him to bring race into it, but what he's doing isn't racist. It's just dumb.

That is a great question too about Doc Rivers, and I'm sure you'd get a lot of different responses from people all over the political spectrum. I personally wouldn't see that as racist, as it would only be a commentary on Doc Rivers and not associated with any currently known racial stereotype. But you would probably hear some commentary about such a rant being racist because it could be (even by the smallest degree) damaging toward the career of a successful black coach.

This is where I diverge from some liberals. There's a school of thought among the furthest left that (in the USA) only white people are capable of racism because we're on top of the socio-economic food chain... so like a black person could say something racist about white people, but that it's ultimately not racist because no quantifiable damage is done against white people in general. (White people still control the levers of government, most job hirings, most property, the most money, etc.) I strongly disagree with that line of thinking -- I'm more of a Bill Mahar liberal than an AOC liberal -- but it's definitely out there.

[JIDuck97]

1) What would you describe as racism?

2) Let’s say JJ Reddick did a podcast and in a very similar fashion said that Doc Rivers is uncomfortable around white players, would this be perceived any different by you and society in general?

That's a very good question, and not one I can answer succinctly without giving it far more thought than I have time for right now, so instead I'm going to borrow a line from Ted Lasso.

"I'm gonna put it the same way the US Supreme Court did back in 1964 when they defined pornography. It ain't easy to explain, but you know it when you see it."

A jilted player who was shipped off for bad behavior attacking his coach years later ain't it. He's just being a vindicative asshole. He's not giving any commentary on white people in general, he's just attacking Chip Kelly over a personal grudge. It's chickenshit of him to bring race into it, but what he's doing isn't racist. It's just dumb.

That is a great question too about Doc Rivers, and I'm sure you'd get a lot of different responses from people all over the political spectrum. I personally wouldn't see that as racist, as it would only be a commentary on Doc Rivers and not associated with any currently known racial stereotype. But you would probably hear some commentary about such a rant being racist because it could be (even by the smallest degree) damaging toward the career of a successful black coach.

This is where I diverge from some liberals. There's a school of thought among the furthest left that (in the USA) only white people are capable of racism because we're on top of the socio-economic food chain... so like a black person could say something racist about white people, but that it's ultimately not racist because no quantifiable damage is done against white people in general. (White people still control the levers of government, most job hirings, most property, the most money, etc.) I strongly disagree with that line of thinking -- I'm more of a Bill Mahar liberal than an AOC liberal -- but it's definitely out there.

I feel like in that last part that what you did was clearly display the difference between racism and bigotry. Both are awful.

[OregonFan4Life]

1) What would you describe as racism?

2) Let’s say JJ Reddick did a podcast and in a very similar fashion said that Doc Rivers is uncomfortable around white players, would this be perceived any different by you and society in general?

That's a very good question, and not one I can answer succinctly without giving it far more thought than I have time for right now, so instead I'm going to borrow a line from Ted Lasso.

"I'm gonna put it the same way the US Supreme Court did back in 1964 when they defined pornography. It ain't easy to explain, but you know it when you see it."

A jilted player who was shipped off for bad behavior attacking his coach years later ain't it. He's just being a vindicative asshole. He's not giving any commentary on white people in general, he's just attacking Chip Kelly over a personal grudge. It's chickenshit of him to bring race into it, but what he's doing isn't racist. It's just dumb.

That is a great question too about Doc Rivers, and I'm sure you'd get a lot of different responses from people all over the political spectrum. I personally wouldn't see that as racist, as it would only be a commentary on Doc Rivers and not associated with any currently known racial stereotype. But you would probably hear some commentary about such a rant being racist because it could be (even by the smallest degree) damaging toward the career of a successful black coach.

This is where I diverge from some liberals. There's a school of thought among the furthest left that (in the USA) only white people are capable of racism because we're on top of the socio-economic food chain... so like a black person could say something racist about white people, but that it's ultimately not racist because no quantifiable damage is done against white people in general. (White people still control the levers of government, most job hirings, most property, the most money, etc.) I strongly disagree with that line of thinking -- I'm more of a Bill Mahar liberal than an AOC liberal -- but it's definitely out there.

Thanks for the detailed explanation! That makes a lot of sense I appreciate you taking the time. For the record I do 100% agree, I don’t see any racism in any of the parties involved with the accusations against Chip. Also Bill Maher might be my favorite political commentator and I appreciate his influence in removing the political divide that we have. I’m just doing my part to understand the mindset of those who disagree with me rather than write them off, I’ve heard compelling arguments that have changed my mind before for the better and I’m sure it will continue to happen.

[dd10snoop28]

Dang....the video is 52 minutes long.

[dd10snoop28]

This is 100% a character issue. These guys didn't get their way and ran into a coach who didn't bow down to them, and blame it on race.

We (aka all of the media) have cultivated a culture of race-baiting that allows low-character individuals to gain clout by blaming their grievances on race. You cannot deny one's experience because you have never walked their shoes!