Tyreke Hill incident

[squintsdd]

At the heart of this is the officers safety. Rolling up a tinted window on an officer so they can't see and communicate with you puts them and anyone else in the area at risk. Do you know why cops are armed? It's not because they deal only with the friendliest of people on a daily basis

I've already addressed this because it goes both ways.

"as a matter of fact, get out of the car."

Dude wasn't threatened for his life in that moment at all.

So are you saying that he should wait until his life is being threatened before having hill get out of his car? If he has to wait until he's threatened, or even believes his life is threatened, then it's already too late. At that point guns are drawn and someone is getting shot. Getting hill out of his car where everyone, and everything within arms reach, can be seen is the safest action for everyone involved.

[Duck07]

At the heart of this is the officers safety. Rolling up a tinted window on an officer so they can't see and communicate with you puts them and anyone else in the area at risk. Do you know why cops are armed? It's not because they deal only with the friendliest of people on a daily basis

I've already addressed this because it goes both ways.

"as a matter of fact, get out of the car."

Dude wasn't threatened for his life in that moment at all.

So are you saying that he should wait until his life is being threatened before having hill get out of his car? If he has to wait until he's threatened, or even believes his life is threatened, then it's already too late. At that point guns are drawn and someone is getting shot. Getting hill out of his car where everyone, and everything within arms reach, can be seen is the safest action for everyone involved.

This cops feeling threatened part is what's wrong with these assumptions because it can go both ways. There are plenty of incidents of cops using guns over traffic stops so does Joe Public get to fear for their safety against police who might shoot them?

This is the same excuse Israel gives when they shoot another 3 year old in the head, they felt threatened in the moment for their safety. It's BS and that wasn't a legitimate situation to escalate.

[Duck07]

At the heart of this is the officers safety. Rolling up a tinted window on an officer so they can't see and communicate with you puts them and anyone else in the area at risk. Do you know why cops are armed? It's not because they deal only with the friendliest of people on a daily basis

I've already addressed this because it goes both ways.

"as a matter of fact, get out of the car."

Dude wasn't threatened for his life in that moment at all.

Should that be illegal for an officer to do? There needs to be some discretion for an officer to use in this type of situation. You have to balance acountability with too much scrutiny. Unfortunately, society is moving away from law/order and has a negative view of law enforcement that (1) juries are starting to convict police more than they should due to bias and (2) there are less qualified policeman that want to remain in the profession.

It's a vicious cycle. Here's an interesting question.....if the media has the choice to report on two different perspective, which is more advantageous:

(1) spend time criticizing officers for being slightly aggressive or,
(2) spend time focusing on rise in crime

I think when a cop asks for and gets your license to go check you for warrants etc that "feeling threatened" because they rolled up the window is such a non starter for me with everything leading up to that moment. It's a rather common thing for people to do after giving their license over.

Frankly I'm over this discussion. I expect police to act with a more stoicism than they do despite the risks they face but others prefer they try to escalate any situation once they feel the slightest threat.

[dd10snoop28]

I'm more interested in how this is being covered in the public sphere. I agree with your 2nd paragraph fully.

His conduct was not so egregious to constitute the backlash that they are receiving from every corner, however.

I am more concerned with actual violence going unreported and uncovered in the news. More direct correlation to impact on people's daily lives. I mean, we live in Oregon so I'm not sure how we are as focused as we are on the police's conduct as opposed to the disproportionate and utterly based coverage when it comes to police brutality. The long-term impact of biased juries and rise in criminal activity is devastating.

[squintsdd]

At the heart of this is the officers safety. Rolling up a tinted window on an officer so they can't see and communicate with you puts them and anyone else in the area at risk. Do you know why cops are armed? It's not because they deal only with the friendliest of people on a daily basis

I've already addressed this because it goes both ways.

"as a matter of fact, get out of the car."

Dude wasn't threatened for his life in that moment at all.

So are you saying that he should wait until his life is being threatened before having hill get out of his car? If he has to wait until he's threatened, or even believes his life is threatened, then it's already too late. At that point guns are drawn and someone is getting shot. Getting hill out of his car where everyone, and everything within arms reach, can be seen is the safest action for everyone involved.

This cops feeling threatened part is what's wrong with these assumptions because it can go both ways. There are plenty of incidents of cops using guns over traffic stops so does Joe Public get to fear for their safety against police who might shoot them?

This is the same excuse Israel gives when they shoot another 3 year old in the head, they felt threatened in the moment for their safety. It's BS and that wasn't a legitimate situation to escalate.

Comparing a 3 year old to a man who has a history of hitting is girlfriend, hitting his own child, and hitting another man over a disagreement is wild.

I'm not saying every cop should act the way they do, but in this case they were justified. They just pulled over a man who was driving 20 over the speed limit, who has a history of violence, who is being relatively uncooperative, and hiding behind tinted windows. If he didn't want to pulled out of his car and placed in cuffs, then maybe he should've just acknowledged was driving well over the limit, handed the cops his info, and left his window down. None of those seem unreasonable or difficult to me.

[pezsez1]

I'm more interested in how this is being covered in the public sphere. I agree with your 2nd paragraph fully.

My comment is somewhat unrelated to the actual topic, but wanted to chime in anyway.

I've been watching this convo and have noticed folks questioning how the media has covered this. Something that's really interesting to me is that I've barely seen this story in any of my feeds or on any sites that I visit. So this makes me ask two questions:

1) Is speculation/opinion about how this is being covered a bigger story than the actual incident?
2) Is there more coverage of this on right-leaning news sites where the story might be likely to get more engagement? Or, similarly, are people who are more likely to be angered/upset/dismayed by this issue being served related headlines more often?

Maybe it's not really being covered that much anywhere and this isn't really a thing, but I'd be curious to hear how often others are actually seeing stories about this. I find media placements/algorithms/etc to be pretty interesting, and it's clear from previous discussions that people in this forum tend to spend time in very different media ecosystems.

On the topic, I definitely agree with Duck07 that cops could help themselves by toning things down a bit, but really I think the answer here is that laws should be standardized and publicized. Keeping your window down in a traffic stop shouldn't be a big deal, and it shouldn't be perceived as an act of indignity -- but so much of that depends on how the officer handles the situation. Standardizing and publicizing these laws could actually help with that, and I feel like it's something everyone could get behind if handled correctly. Good fences make good neighbors and all of that.