A way to minimize the lack of depth in the trenches?

glazeduck · Post by **glazeduck** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:54 pm

In looking at our depth chart, obviously we're thin (and going to keep getting thinner barring some miracles) on the DL, but we're pretty damn stacked at LB. Paysinger, Matthews, Pleasant, Kaddu, Littlejohn, Clay, Alonso, Hanna, etc.

Does anybody think we could start to see more 3-4 fronts?

Given the guys we have on the DL -- we've got several big bodies, big enough to play NT, and we have Bair who could be great as a 5 technique (DE in a 3-4) and Werner is a similar player.

Additionally, we seem to be recruiting a DE/LB pass rushing hybrid (1st Rowe, now McCain)...

I've always been of the opinion that you do what you can to get the best players onto the field, and, while it's premature -- especially looking into the future -- I think our LB depth and talent right now is better than our DL. More 3-4 looks would take advantage of that...

echo31 · Post by **echo31** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:01 pm

88 Bair, Brandon..............DT...6-7...268...Sr.
99 Clark, Zac...................DT....6-2..260...Sr.
59 Montgomery, Terrance...DT..6-2..283...Sr.
96 Iupati, Andrew.............DT...6-1...286...Jr.
95 Tuiasosopo, Denton......DT..6-1..305...Jr.
93 Anderson, Anthony......DT...6-4...226...RFr.
92 Keliikipi, Wade..............DT...6-3..288...RFr.

Are we really that bad off? Weren't we excited about Keliikipi this time last year?

PDXShogun · Post by **PDXShogun** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:03 pm

You're right about Bair, but who did you have in mind for these "big Bodies?" To run a 3-4 full time, you need to have a NT that occupies two blockers on every snap. I don't think we can count in Iupati or Wade K for that yet as they are pretty unproven.

glazeduck · Post by **glazeduck** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:05 pm

echo31 wrote:88 Bair, Brandon..............DT...6-7...268...Sr.
99 Clark, Zac...................DT....6-2..260...Sr.
59 Montgomery, Terrance...DT..6-2..283...Sr.
96 Iupati, Andrew.............DT...6-1...286...Jr.
95 Tuiasosopo, Denton......DT..6-1..305...Jr. walkon
93 Anderson, Anthony......DT...6-4...226...RFr.
92 Keliikipi, Wade..............DT...6-3..288...RFr.

Are we really that bad off? Weren't we excited about Keliikipi this time last year?

We're not screwed for this year, but down the road we are. I think it's a mistake to bank on Tui doing anything for us. He was a walkon for a reason. Yeah he's big, but big doesn't mean good. Yeah he's a Tui, but Tui doesn't mean good either.

After this next season we've got Iupati (who will be a SR) and a small handful of young guys.

So yeah, unless things change, or we bring in 2 or 3 JUCO guys (who can actually qualify) next season, we'll be in some trouble.

glazeduck · Post by **glazeduck** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:07 pm

PDXShogun wrote:You're right about Bair, but who did you have in mind for these "big Bodies?" To run a 3-4 full time, you need to have a NT that occupies two blockers on every snap. I don't think we can count in Iupati or Wade K for that yet as they are pretty unproven.

Montgomery could get into the 290s by next season. In college that's big enough to get away with.

I'm not neccessarily suggesting we switch to this full-time, but certainly continue to mix it in more and more.

GrandpaDuck · Post by **GrandpaDuck** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:51 pm

Our starting lineup on Defense was run with 3-3-5 personnel in sort of a 4-3 configuration with one DE slid inside (Bair) and the Hybrid Linebacker/DE (Rowe) lining up as a DE. The Hybrid Safety/LB (Pleasant) would often slide in to the line of scrimmage giving a 5-2 appearance, again using 3-3-5 sized personnel.

When they went to the odd package it was often with 3-2-6 personnel.

The names of positions used on Oregon's depth charts are archaic for the defense Oregon now runs. Pleasant's position at places running similar defenses is often called a "Rover" and what Oregon calls a Rover a Strong Safety.

The vast majority of time Oregon used only 3 true lineman. They sometimes brought a hydrid DE/LB and/or a Hybrid Safety/LB to the line of scrimmage. In their 2 deep when they moved Bair out to DE they could use Clark and Simi inside for a true 4 lineman 4 man front. I don't recall this happening often though.

Common internet wisdom is you need a huge nose tackle to run a three man front, but the Oregon defense led the Conference in sacks, 2nd in lowest yards per carry against (.1 ypc from first), first in fewest yards per pass attempt while using 3 medium sized lineman.

Post by **UOducksTK1** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:01 pm

echo31 wrote:88 Bair, Brandon..............DT...6-7...268...Sr.
99 Clark, Zac...................DT....6-2..260...Sr.
59 Montgomery, Terrance...DT..6-2..283...Sr.
96 Iupati, Andrew.............DT...6-1...286...Jr.
95 Tuiasosopo, Denton......DT..6-1..305...Jr.
93 Anderson, Anthony......DT...6-4...226...RFr.
92 Keliikipi, Wade..............DT...6-3..288...RFr.

Are we really that bad off? Weren't we excited about Keliikipi this time last year?

Andrew Iupati isn't on our team anymore according to talefeathers.

glazeduck · Post by **glazeduck** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:06 pm

UOducksTK1 wrote:
echo31 wrote:88 Bair, Brandon..............DT...6-7...268...Sr.
99 Clark, Zac...................DT....6-2..260...Sr.
59 Montgomery, Terrance...DT..6-2..283...Sr.
96 Iupati, Andrew.............DT...6-1...286...Jr.
95 Tuiasosopo, Denton......DT..6-1..305...Jr.
93 Anderson, Anthony......DT...6-4...226...RFr.
92 Keliikipi, Wade..............DT...6-3..288...RFr.

Are we really that bad off? Weren't we excited about Keliikipi this time last year?

Andrew Iupati isn't on our team anymore according to talefeathers.

?????

mdm0302 · Post by **mdm0302** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:14 pm

UOducksTK1 wrote:
echo31 wrote:88 Bair, Brandon..............DT...6-7...268...Sr.
99 Clark, Zac...................DT....6-2..260...Sr.
59 Montgomery, Terrance...DT..6-2..283...Sr.
96 Iupati, Andrew.............DT...6-1...286...Jr.
95 Tuiasosopo, Denton......DT..6-1..305...Jr.
93 Anderson, Anthony......DT...6-4...226...RFr.
92 Keliikipi, Wade..............DT...6-3..288...RFr.

Are we really that bad off? Weren't we excited about Keliikipi this time last year?

Andrew Iupati isn't on our team anymore according to talefeathers.

WHATTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!! WHY???? i was excited about that guy... heard lots of good things about him

Post by **UOducksTK1** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:17 pm

mdm0302 wrote:
UOducksTK1 wrote:
echo31 wrote:88 Bair, Brandon..............DT...6-7...268...Sr.
99 Clark, Zac...................DT....6-2..260...Sr.
59 Montgomery, Terrance...DT..6-2..283...Sr.
96 Iupati, Andrew.............DT...6-1...286...Jr.
95 Tuiasosopo, Denton......DT..6-1..305...Jr.
93 Anderson, Anthony......DT...6-4...226...RFr.
92 Keliikipi, Wade..............DT...6-3..288...RFr.

Are we really that bad off? Weren't we excited about Keliikipi this time last year?

Andrew Iupati isn't on our team anymore according to talefeathers.
WHATTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!! WHY???? i was excited about that guy... heard lots of good things about him

Someone said it on talefeathers, might not be true. Sorry to jump the gun!

Now they are speculating if he is just taking a term or two off before he returns. Perhaps personal issues?

canaduck · Post by **canaduck** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:49 pm

PDXShogun wrote:You're right about Bair, but who did you have in mind for these "big Bodies?" To run a 3-4 full time, you need to have a NT that occupies two blockers on every snap. I don't think we can count in Iupati or Wade K for that yet as they are pretty unproven.

He's right, many people think that a 3-4 is the solution to not having many good linemen, but if you do switch to that your linemen have to be great. We only have 1 D-lineman over 300 pounds according to that list and like PDX said he's gotta be able to just eat up blocks. Our LBs are our strength, and 4 down linemen protects them a bit more, and lets them use their speed. I also think the transition from 4-3 DE to 3-4 OLB is harder than some might believe.

OreDucks01284 · Post by **OreDucks01284** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:36 pm

glazeduck wrote:
echo31 wrote:88 Bair, Brandon..............DT...6-7...268...Sr.
99 Clark, Zac...................DT....6-2..260...Sr.
59 Montgomery, Terrance...DT..6-2..283...Sr.
96 Iupati, Andrew.............DT...6-1...286...Jr.
95 Tuiasosopo, Denton......DT..6-1..305...Jr. walkon
93 Anderson, Anthony......DT...6-4...226...RFr.
92 Keliikipi, Wade..............DT...6-3..288...RFr.

Are we really that bad off? Weren't we excited about Keliikipi this time last year?
We're not screwed for this year, but down the road we are. I think it's a mistake to bank on Tui doing anything for us. He was a walkon for a reason. Yeah he's big, but big doesn't mean good. Yeah he's a Tui, but Tui doesn't mean good either.

After this next season we've got Iupati (who will be a SR) and a small handful of young guys.

So yeah, unless things change, or we bring in 2 or 3 JUCO guys (who can actually qualify) next season, we'll be in some trouble.

wow next year will be thinner on DT postion, well now its a must get 2011 DT recruits!!

maxduck · Post by **maxduck** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:00 pm

UOducksTK1 wrote:
mdm0302 wrote:
UOducksTK1 wrote:
echo31 wrote:88 Bair, Brandon..............DT...6-7...268...Sr.
99 Clark, Zac...................DT....6-2..260...Sr.
59 Montgomery, Terrance...DT..6-2..283...Sr.
96 Iupati, Andrew.............DT...6-1...286...Jr.
95 Tuiasosopo, Denton......DT..6-1..305...Jr.
93 Anderson, Anthony......DT...6-4...226...RFr.
92 Keliikipi, Wade..............DT...6-3..288...RFr.

Are we really that bad off? Weren't we excited about Keliikipi this time last year?

Andrew Iupati isn't on our team anymore according to talefeathers.
WHATTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!! WHY???? i was excited about that guy... heard lots of good things about him
Someone said it on talefeathers, might not be true. Sorry to jump the gun!

Now they are speculating if he is just taking a term or two off before he returns. Perhaps personal issues?

Doesn't appear he is listed in the student directory.

oreducks77 · Post by **oreducks77** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:32 pm

I know in the NFL you don't just decide "hey we're gonna start running the 3-4"... they usually hire a defensive coordinator who has only worked the 3-4 for his entire career, or someone that REALLY knows it. Also, personnel wise you have to have a nose tackle that can really clog up the middle, and BIG FAST linebackers (think USC '08) that can take on offensive linemen. If you don't have the right personnel for it, the 3-4 is extremely vulnerable. It's also more difficult to run, which is why you don't see it as much in college, the front seven has more responsibilities and really has to know their sh/t.

glazeduck · Post by **glazeduck** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:04 pm

Ugh...

Some of you people need to READ.

I NEVER said "we should switch to the 3-4".

I said, do you think we'll see more 3-4? Which means, will we mix it in some more?

We're not only going to be short on talent, but short on bodies, so a part-time 3-4 could lighten the load.

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