Any Truth to the rumor that Gabe King was

[hualalai06]

there's more to the story than just miscommunication. and the blount situation is not even close to this king stuff. really bad comparisons.

How come you can't comment on it right now? Heinz motto is "Good things come to those who wait." But you are Hines, big difference. I believe your motto is "Good things come to those who tell excellent recruiting stories."

[Tray Dub]

Look, I'm not saying that I'm better or worse at judging character than Kelly. I'm saying that I WILL take my own judgment over his, because I have talked to Gabe many times and I value my conversations with him more than some guy coming on here and telling me Kelly doesn't like him. Honestly, would you guys think any differently? Would you say, "well, I know this guy and like him, but someone else said that they think he's cocky so I better change my mind?" Our coaches are smart, but they are not God and they, like everyone else, can misjudge someone (as can I of course).

Bigducker, it's sad that you don't think anyone should have a different opinion than the coaches. I know Gabe personally and I will speak up about him if I think his character is being unfairly criticized.

[Bigducker]

Tray Dub, I'm sure your a nice guy and King has been nice to you when you've talked to him.
I've been a business owner and in the sales industry for years and some people you meet come off as very, very nice but once you really get to know them they are absolutely not what they were when you first met them. How many times do people get divorced and one spouse says they aren't the same person as they were before we got married ? You really don't know some one until you've been around them a long time.
Some thing happened to where CK got fed up and took his scollie away. King might be a good kid but, He definitely did something bad to piss Chip off. You just don't pull a very good D-lineman's offer for nothing and it WAS NOT because of possible sanctions.
And since you say you talk to him did you ask him why Chip pulled his scholarship ?

Anyway, it's over now... on to bigger and better D-lineman next year

[greenyellow]

Tray Dub, I'm sure your a nice guy and King has been nice to you when you've talked to him.
I've been a business owner and in the sales industry for years and some people you meet come off as very, very nice but once you really get to know them they are absolutely not what they were when you first met them. How many times do people get divorced and one spouse says they aren't the same person as they were before we got married ? You really don't know some one until you've been around them a long time.
Some thing happened to where CK got fed up and took his scollie away. King might be a good kid but, He definitely did something bad to piss Chip off. You just don't pull a very good D-lineman's offer for nothing and it WAS NOT because of possible sanctions.
And since you say you talk to him did you ask him why Chip pulled his scholarship ?

Anyway, it's over now... on to bigger and better D-lineman next year

Right now, players are either want to be Ducks or they don't. Kelly, I think, is cutting his losses and moving on to other targets for this year's class and looking ahead to the next class. This class has to be a disappointment for them this year in terms of DL so they are probably trying to find some players that they have better chances at landing.

[Tray Dub]

Tray Dub, I'm sure your a nice guy and King has been nice to you when you've talked to him.
I've been a business owner and in the sales industry for years and some people you meet come off as very, very nice but once you really get to know them they are absolutely not what they were when you first met them. How many times do people get divorced and one spouse says they aren't the same person as they were before we got married ? You really don't know some one until you've been around them a long time.
Some thing happened to where CK got fed up and took his scollie away. King might be a good kid but, He definitely did something bad to piss Chip off. You just don't pull a very good D-lineman's offer for nothing and it WAS NOT because of possible sanctions.
And since you say you talk to him did you ask him why Chip pulled his scholarship ?

Anyway, it's over now... on to bigger and better D-lineman next year

I understand I could be wrong about King. All I'm saying is that I'm not going to take Kelly's perception of him as a human being over mine. I could be wrong, but so could Kelly.

And no, I haven't seen Gabe in a few weeks. Pretty sure he's been out of town a lot. I do want to ask him though when I get a chance.

[MacDuck]

Chip & Azz are no nonsense kind of coaches. They are the ones who would have to live with this kid for the next 3-5 yrs. If they felt, after looking at his character, etc. that he wasn't what they wanted (and I'm sure more will come out after Wed that will shed much more light on it) then that's their choice.

What we see is a highly rated kid at a position of big need. He would make us all feel better about our class, etc. What the staff has to do is weigh not just what they feel is his potential impact on helping the Ducks win football games, but also on Gabe being a good fit for their program. He's just one player, but one player can also have a great deal of impact on many. Finally, keep in mind that Gabe did commit to our staff at one time. Then he started playing games and not living up to his word. Combine that with actively recruiting for Cal in trying to persuade a committed player (Chris McCain) to join him at another school. Not cool.

[greenyellow]

I think that the biggest thing working against the Ducks in getting McCain (also with other DL recruits) is that they really haven't had any time to get to know Coach Azz. He was hired real late in the game (in terms of recruiting) and I don't think he had the kind of contacts that Coach Gray had. While that's no excuse for the lack of DLs in this class, it does play a part in it.

[stanfurdbites]

Chip & Azz are no nonsense kind of coaches. They are the ones who would have to live with this kid for the next 3-5 yrs. If they felt, after looking at his character, etc. that he wasn't what they wanted (and I'm sure more will come out after Wed that will shed much more light on it) then that's their choice.

What we see is a highly rated kid at a position of big need. He would make us all feel better about our class, etc. What the staff has to do is weigh not just what they feel is his potential impact on helping the Ducks win football games, but also on Gabe being a good fit for their program. He's just one player, but one player can also have a great deal of impact on many. Finally, keep in mind that Gabe did commit to our staff at one time. Then he started playing games and not living up to his word. Combine that with actively recruiting for Cal in trying to persuade a committed player (Chris McCain) to join him at another school. Not cool.

I'm sorry, I'm not being an arse or a troll, but why do you think Chip and staff is so high up on character and integrity when you have two prime examples of ... ummm ... character questionable individuals in blount and masoli? Blount decked another player on nat'l tv and was allowed back on the team and even played in the biggest game of the year. Masoli, with his history of "issues", it would not surprise anyone here in the bay area where Masoli grew up, to be in the rumored troubles he is in now.

Gabe King has absolutely no anger/character/legal issues that are known (at least publicly). He seems like a high school kid who needed time to make maybe the most important decision in his life but the leading school to land the player couldn't wait for it ...

Who knows what actually happened between your staff and King, but it really seems like they either a) got played for fools and is throwing a temper tantrum, b) can't understand why King hasn't committed already and again is throwing a temper tantrum or c) saw sanctions on the horizons and knows better than to go there.

So to frame it as "avoiding" low character players is interesting to me ...

[canaduck]

Chip & Azz are no nonsense kind of coaches. They are the ones who would have to live with this kid for the next 3-5 yrs. If they felt, after looking at his character, etc. that he wasn't what they wanted (and I'm sure more will come out after Wed that will shed much more light on it) then that's their choice.

What we see is a highly rated kid at a position of big need. He would make us all feel better about our class, etc. What the staff has to do is weigh not just what they feel is his potential impact on helping the Ducks win football games, but also on Gabe being a good fit for their program. He's just one player, but one player can also have a great deal of impact on many. Finally, keep in mind that Gabe did commit to our staff at one time. Then he started playing games and not living up to his word. Combine that with actively recruiting for Cal in trying to persuade a committed player (Chris McCain) to join him at another school. Not cool.

I'm sorry, I'm not being an arse or a troll, but why do you think Chip and staff is so high up on character and integrity when you have two prime examples of ... ummm ... character questionable individuals in blount and masoli? Blount decked another player on nat'l tv and was allowed back on the team and even played in the biggest game of the year. Masoli, with his history of "issues", it would not surprise anyone here in the bay area where Masoli grew up, to be in the rumored troubles he is in now.

Gabe King has absolutely no anger/character/legal issues that are known (at least publicly). He seems like a high school kid who needed time to make maybe the most important decision in his life but the leading school to land the player couldn't wait for it ...

Who knows what actually happened between your staff and King, but it really seems like they either a) got played for fools and is throwing a temper tantrum, b) can't understand why King hasn't committed already and again is throwing a temper tantrum or c) saw sanctions on the horizons and knows better than to go there.

So to frame it as "avoiding" low character players is interesting to me ...

I tend to agree, I know very little about the situation, but I find it hard to characterize a player as low-character just because he may have had his scholarship pulled. Maybe coaches did not like his attitude, which doesn't entail him being low character, or any variety of other reasons.

[greenyellow]

Chip & Azz are no nonsense kind of coaches. They are the ones who would have to live with this kid for the next 3-5 yrs. If they felt, after looking at his character, etc. that he wasn't what they wanted (and I'm sure more will come out after Wed that will shed much more light on it) then that's their choice.

What we see is a highly rated kid at a position of big need. He would make us all feel better about our class, etc. What the staff has to do is weigh not just what they feel is his potential impact on helping the Ducks win football games, but also on Gabe being a good fit for their program. He's just one player, but one player can also have a great deal of impact on many. Finally, keep in mind that Gabe did commit to our staff at one time. Then he started playing games and not living up to his word. Combine that with actively recruiting for Cal in trying to persuade a committed player (Chris McCain) to join him at another school. Not cool.

I'm sorry, I'm not being an arse or a troll, but why do you think Chip and staff is so high up on character and integrity when you have two prime examples of ... ummm ... character questionable individuals in blount and masoli? Blount decked another player on nat'l tv and was allowed back on the team and even played in the biggest game of the year. Masoli, with his history of "issues", it would not surprise anyone here in the bay area where Masoli grew up, to be in the rumored troubles he is in now.

Gabe King has absolutely no anger/character/legal issues that are known (at least publicly). He seems like a high school kid who needed time to make maybe the most important decision in his life but the leading school to land the player couldn't wait for it ...

Who knows what actually happened between your staff and King, but it really seems like they either a) got played for fools and is throwing a temper tantrum, b) can't understand why King hasn't committed already and again is throwing a temper tantrum or c) saw sanctions on the horizons and knows better than to go there.

So to frame it as "avoiding" low character players is interesting to me ...

It's easy to judge by seeing or reading about one incident, but they've worked past those issues and seemed to have turned things around. We'll never know what happened behind closed doors to get Blount back, but from what's been said it wasn't a cakewalk for him to come back. That incident in Boise was the one public mistake that Blount made and he is sincerely sorry for it. As for Masoli, his family and past coaches has been on several boards stating the true incident with Jeremiah and it sounded more like he was guilty by association with the players who committed the crimes and didn't do any of the robbing that occurred.

[greenyellow]

Chip & Azz are no nonsense kind of coaches. They are the ones who would have to live with this kid for the next 3-5 yrs. If they felt, after looking at his character, etc. that he wasn't what they wanted (and I'm sure more will come out after Wed that will shed much more light on it) then that's their choice.

What we see is a highly rated kid at a position of big need. He would make us all feel better about our class, etc. What the staff has to do is weigh not just what they feel is his potential impact on helping the Ducks win football games, but also on Gabe being a good fit for their program. He's just one player, but one player can also have a great deal of impact on many. Finally, keep in mind that Gabe did commit to our staff at one time. Then he started playing games and not living up to his word. Combine that with actively recruiting for Cal in trying to persuade a committed player (Chris McCain) to join him at another school. Not cool.

I'm sorry, I'm not being an arse or a troll, but why do you think Chip and staff is so high up on character and integrity when you have two prime examples of ... ummm ... character questionable individuals in blount and masoli? Blount decked another player on nat'l tv and was allowed back on the team and even played in the biggest game of the year. Masoli, with his history of "issues", it would not surprise anyone here in the bay area where Masoli grew up, to be in the rumored troubles he is in now.

Gabe King has absolutely no anger/character/legal issues that are known (at least publicly). He seems like a high school kid who needed time to make maybe the most important decision in his life but the leading school to land the player couldn't wait for it ...

Who knows what actually happened between your staff and King, but it really seems like they either a) got played for fools and is throwing a temper tantrum, b) can't understand why King hasn't committed already and again is throwing a temper tantrum or c) saw sanctions on the horizons and knows better than to go there.

So to frame it as "avoiding" low character players is interesting to me ...

I tend to agree, I know very little about the situation, but I find it hard to characterize a player as low-character just because he may have had his scholarship pulled. Maybe coaches did not like his attitude, which doesn't entail him being low character, or any variety of other reasons.

I don't think it really had to deal with King having a bad attitude, it seems more like the coaches wanted an answer faster so they would know if they had to continue going after other recruits besides King and that he was taking longer than they had hoped. They probably could see the writing on the wall with King and didn't plan on spending time on him so they could move on.

[maxduck]

Chip & Azz are no nonsense kind of coaches. They are the ones who would have to live with this kid for the next 3-5 yrs. If they felt, after looking at his character, etc. that he wasn't what they wanted (and I'm sure more will come out after Wed that will shed much more light on it) then that's their choice.

What we see is a highly rated kid at a position of big need. He would make us all feel better about our class, etc. What the staff has to do is weigh not just what they feel is his potential impact on helping the Ducks win football games, but also on Gabe being a good fit for their program. He's just one player, but one player can also have a great deal of impact on many. Finally, keep in mind that Gabe did commit to our staff at one time. Then he started playing games and not living up to his word. Combine that with actively recruiting for Cal in trying to persuade a committed player (Chris McCain) to join him at another school. Not cool.

I'm sorry, I'm not being an arse or a troll, but why do you think Chip and staff is so high up on character and integrity when you have two prime examples of ... ummm ... character questionable individuals in blount and masoli? Blount decked another player on nat'l tv and was allowed back on the team and even played in the biggest game of the year. Masoli, with his history of "issues", it would not surprise anyone here in the bay area where Masoli grew up, to be in the rumored troubles he is in now.

Gabe King has absolutely no anger/character/legal issues that are known (at least publicly). He seems like a high school kid who needed time to make maybe the most important decision in his life but the leading school to land the player couldn't wait for it ...

Who knows what actually happened between your staff and King, but it really seems like they either a) got played for fools and is throwing a temper tantrum, b) can't understand why King hasn't committed already and again is throwing a temper tantrum or c) saw sanctions on the horizons and knows better than to go there.

So to frame it as "avoiding" low character players is interesting to me ...

LOL. While you are not trying to be an "arse or a troll" your conclusions are a) the Duck coaches are throwing a temper tantrum, b) the Duck coaches are throwing a temper tantrum, or c) the Duck coaches committed recruiting violations.

I can't imagine what conclusions you would draw if you weren't so fair minded.

[greenyellow]

Chip & Azz are no nonsense kind of coaches. They are the ones who would have to live with this kid for the next 3-5 yrs. If they felt, after looking at his character, etc. that he wasn't what they wanted (and I'm sure more will come out after Wed that will shed much more light on it) then that's their choice.

What we see is a highly rated kid at a position of big need. He would make us all feel better about our class, etc. What the staff has to do is weigh not just what they feel is his potential impact on helping the Ducks win football games, but also on Gabe being a good fit for their program. He's just one player, but one player can also have a great deal of impact on many. Finally, keep in mind that Gabe did commit to our staff at one time. Then he started playing games and not living up to his word. Combine that with actively recruiting for Cal in trying to persuade a committed player (Chris McCain) to join him at another school. Not cool.

I'm sorry, I'm not being an arse or a troll, but why do you think Chip and staff is so high up on character and integrity when you have two prime examples of ... ummm ... character questionable individuals in blount and masoli? Blount decked another player on nat'l tv and was allowed back on the team and even played in the biggest game of the year. Masoli, with his history of "issues", it would not surprise anyone here in the bay area where Masoli grew up, to be in the rumored troubles he is in now.

Gabe King has absolutely no anger/character/legal issues that are known (at least publicly). He seems like a high school kid who needed time to make maybe the most important decision in his life but the leading school to land the player couldn't wait for it ...

Who knows what actually happened between your staff and King, but it really seems like they either a) got played for fools and is throwing a temper tantrum, b) can't understand why King hasn't committed already and again is throwing a temper tantrum or c) saw sanctions on the horizons and knows better than to go there.

So to frame it as "avoiding" low character players is interesting to me ...

LOL. While you are not trying to be an "arse or a troll" your conclusions are a) the Duck coaches are throwing a temper tantrum, b) the Duck coaches are throwing a temper tantrum, or c) the Duck coaches committed recruiting violations.

I can't imagine what conclusions you would draw if you weren't so fair minded.

He really does come off being really biased towards the coaching staff and doesn't seem to have real explanations for the coaches dropping King. I think the most probable case is that he probably took longer the coaches were expecting and weren't feeling that he was going to commit so they moved on to other recruits that may have better chances of being Ducks.

[ncduck]

Let's call a spade a spade. Troll.

[shear_j]

Let's call a spade a spade. Troll.

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