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Can we just start inviting schools based on how hot their cheerleaders are?big z wrote:Yes I have!Biggus Duckus wrote:I like the Texas and Oklahoma schools. As for the 6th school, I would be okay with Colorado, Utah or TCU. I doubt any of those except Colorado would happen though.
(I told myself I didn't want any religious schools, but then I thought about Texas CHRISTIAN and how I wanted them in. Plus, have you seen their cheerleaders?)
I think that the idea that religious people think that they know the answers to all questions is bunk. I suspect that you if you spent a little more time considering it, you would agree.Mukden wrote:Religious schools already know the answers to the questions they are asking. If you think the world is 6000 yrs old, I don’t know how you can claim to have an anthropology department.
Mukden wrote:Their self stated primary goal is often something OTHER than education (propagation and defense of a certain creed, for example).
http://www.baylor.edu/about/index.php?id=48040The mission of Baylor University is to educate men and women for worldwide leadership and service by integrating academic excellence and Christian commitment within a caring community.
Mukden wrote:They rarely perform much research, and often have no desire to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baylor_Uni ... _endowmentAlthough the University was founded as a teaching institution, research has long been an important part of its academic life. The University is also working to strengthen the current research environment as part of Baylor 2012. To that end, in 2004 the University dedicated a new 500,000-square-foot (46,000 m2) science complex which facilitates research on a variety of subjects.
In 2005, the University was invited to join the Collider Detector at Fermilab (CDF) collaboration at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory in Batavia, Illinois. The project is one of the world's largest experimental physics collaborations.
In 2006, the Carnegie Foundation upgraded the university's classification to "Research University" status with "High Research Activity," opening the door to many new research opportunities.
How does being religious hamper education?Mukden wrote:It hampers the academic mission of the school, and if you can’t represent your faith in an environment where others may question it, do you really have any faith?
Do you think that people going to BYU would agree with your assessment of them, if given the opportunity to respond?Mukden wrote:I can tell that getting an education is NOT the reason people go there.
Somehow, they seem to be getting one. BYU is ranked higher than both Baylor and Colorado (and Oregon for that matter): http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandrevie ... t/byu-3670Biggus Duckus wrote:I know this is not directed at me, but no, I don't think people go to BYU to get an education.
How is it bunk? If I firmly believe the world is only 6000 years old, how can seriously study, well, anything really?I think that the idea that religious people think that they know the answers to all questions is bunk. I suspect that you if you spent a little more time considering it, you would agree.
Does Baylor being a hot-bed of “Intelligent Design Theory” A.K.A “science gave me the wrong answer so I’ll dress religion up in the trappings of science and hope no one can tell the difference” help answer that question?How does being religious hamper education?
Yes, I think they would. They go there to be in an environment supportive of their values, and to find a spouse. The education is secondary. Many LDS people never even consider attending another school.Do you think that people going to BYU would agree with your assessment of them, if given the opportunity to respond?
Why should a university have to babysit you, and make you live your faith? If you don't believe in pre-maritial sex, thats totally fine with me, totally respectable, and even a little noble. But shouldn't you just not have sex, rather than need the Baylor RA's to come peek around your room a 2 in the morning?How does an institution supporting a religion demonstrate a lack of faith?
Not all religions believe that the world is 6000 years old.Mukden wrote:How is it bunk? If I firmly believe the world is only 6000 years old, how can seriously study, well, anything really?
It doesn't appear to have hurt them either. As noted in my link their status as a "Research University" was recently upgraded.Mukden wrote:I know Baylor does research (and is something of an exception in this regard), but being Baptist has never helped them on this front.
How does any of this come into play in regard to being part of an athletic conference?Mukden wrote:-Baylor College of Medicine separated from the University due to is religious affiliation.
-Baylor College of Dentistry cut ties with the school, for the same reason.
-Baylor Law generally likes to keep its distance from the religiously influenced undergraduate portion of the school.
-Their federal and state funding is severely limited; because of this, they do comparatively little research when you take their Billion+ endowment into consideration.
-The Baylor 2012 plan mentioned in one of you’re quotes has been a massive controversy at the school.
No. What I see are fantastic leaps in logic. That a coach covered up a murder says nothing about the priorities of the college. That dancing has been debated there or anywhere else says nothing about whether or not the college provides a quality education or should be taken seriously.Mukden wrote:Baylor is trapped in an endless identity crisis, which would end the moment they became non-sectarian. How is it productive to spend time and energy arguing over whether students should be allowed to dance or not? How am I supposed to take a school where dancing is a controversy seriously? Keep in mind this is the same place a Basketball coach covered up the murder of one of his players. See the misplaced priorities? Dare I say the hypocrisy?
No. It doesn't at all. A persons position on intelligent design has little to do with many (if not most) of what they study in college. Also, that some people debate that issue there is not an indication that it's on the agenda of everyone on campus.Mukden wrote:Does Baylor being a hot-bed of “Intelligent Design Theory” A.K.A “science gave me the wrong answer so I’ll dress religion up in the trappings of science and hope no one can tell the difference” help answer that question?
They don't need a school to "be in an environment supportive of their values, and to find a spouse." That doesn't seem to be anything unique to BYU anyway. People often choose schools that support their values, are familiar, they like, or are close to home. A lot of people marry someone they meet in college as well.Mukden wrote:Yes, I think they would. They go there to be in an environment supportive of their values, and to find a spouse. The education is secondary. Many LDS people never even consider attending another school.
To each their own. Students voluntarily go to the school. Perhaps they want to be in an environment where a specific standard of behavior is enforced. It says nothing about their faith or the quality of education they are getting.Mukden wrote:Why should a university have to babysit you, and make you live your faith? If you don't believe in pre-maritial sex, thats totally fine with me, totally respectable, and even a little noble. But shouldn't you just not have sex, rather than need the Baylor RA's to come peek around your room a 2 in the morning?
We get them and their knee high boots every other year in SLC.greenyellow wrote:Can we just start inviting schools based on how hot their cheerleaders are?big z wrote:Yes I have!Biggus Duckus wrote:I like the Texas and Oklahoma schools. As for the 6th school, I would be okay with Colorado, Utah or TCU. I doubt any of those except Colorado would happen though.
(I told myself I didn't want any religious schools, but then I thought about Texas CHRISTIAN and how I wanted them in. Plus, have you seen their cheerleaders?)
hahaMukden wrote:Here is my view (take it or leave it):
Religious schools already know the answers to the questions they are asking. If you think the world is 6000 yrs old, I don’t know how you can claim to have an anthropology department.
Their self stated primary goal is often something OTHER than education (propagation and defense of a certain creed, for example).
They rarely perform much research, and often have no desire to.
They easily outclassed Boise State's cheerleaders in the Fiesta Bowl this year.big z wrote:We get them and their knee high boots every other year in SLC.greenyellow wrote:Can we just start inviting schools based on how hot their cheerleaders are?big z wrote:Yes I have!Biggus Duckus wrote:I like the Texas and Oklahoma schools. As for the 6th school, I would be okay with Colorado, Utah or TCU. I doubt any of those except Colorado would happen though.
(I told myself I didn't want any religious schools, but then I thought about Texas CHRISTIAN and how I wanted them in. Plus, have you seen their cheerleaders?)
