New Commit Today?

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GrandpaDuck wrote:For what it is worth.

According to Rivals the main recruiter for each QB:
Mariota = Greatwood
Hundley = Greatwood
Randall = Scott Frost
Manziel = Helfrich

Greatwood and Frost have been the point on a large number of Recruits that we are in contention with.

The only recruit known to be recruited by Helfrich this cycle is Manzeil.

For conspiracy theorists, what does this tell us?
I don't know if it tell us anything. I do know that Scott Frost is one of the best recruiters on the staff.
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GrandpaDuck wrote:
Hoagduck wrote:A VERY important thing to consider about both Manziel and Mariota is that neither of them were full-time starters their junior years; they both had to play behind established seniors.

Manziel was a full time starter at QB last year as a Junior, and put up super numbers leading his team to the State semifinals, Texas 4A.

Another season like he had last year, coupled with an Oregon commit, he is also a good bet to be a 4 star.

+1. This is a great point. I think people forget what Texas 4A competition entails; and to get to the state semis? The kid is doing something pretty damn well. Chances are Manziel is playing against as good of competition (if not better) than Hundley, and probably superior to what Mariota sees. It wouldn't surprise me if he ended up being the best (for us) out of those three.
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I'm very psyched about Mariota, something in his video just gets me pumped up. I think he's got a ton of talent and that with playing time and good coaching he'll develop into a real winner.

I understand that Hundley and Randall have gotten a bit more hype, but I'm totally cool with Mariota and that's just a gut feeling.

Manziel is an exciting player as well, really dynamic and exciting the way Masoli was. I'm concerned with his low-release point, but I'm sure Helfrich and Kelly know how to evaluate talent. He seems most likely at this point to move over to WR/TZR all of the QBs we're targeting. He also could end up simply playing college or pro baseball too.

I think that we've got the spots to load up on talent wherever the talent is in a given year. If it's at QB, I'm sure that Kelly says come in, compete and prove you deserve the spot. If all this talent wants to do that, they'll find a way to get them on the field, even if only 1 QB can be out there.

Probably like Chris Harper finally realized that if he wants a legit shot at the League, he's gotta go the WR route, one or more of these guys would find out in college what they're truly cut out to play.
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uostudent wrote:
GrandpaDuck wrote:For what it is worth.

According to Rivals the main recruiter for each QB:
Mariota = Greatwood
Hundley = Greatwood
Randall = Scott Frost
Manziel = Helfrich

Greatwood and Frost have been the point on a large number of Recruits that we are in contention with.

The only recruit known to be recruited by Helfrich this cycle is Manzeil.

For conspiracy theorists, what does this tell us?
I don't know if it tell us anything. I do know that Scott Frost is one of the best recruiters on the staff.
A NC championship as a college QB and 6 years in the NFL will definitely give you some credibility. He also seems like a dude who is cool to hangout with, yet very serious about football and improving his players. I'd certainly want to play for him.

Is his region the Southeast then?
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Frost's target list on Rivals is National with regards to receivers. Looks to be racking up serious frequent flyer miles. I really hope we can keep him, I suspect he will become a very hot commodity.

Edited: I know he also has a geographic territory but I can't find it and the first one I posted I think is wrong so I took it out. Sorry
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I don't think it all means much... Greatwood + Mariota makes sense since Greatwood has always been the guy to work HI.

Greatwood in AZ also makes some sense, given the OL talent there this season, so it might have been more convenient all things considered to have him work on Hundley as well... also if it's true that Hundley has communication with guys like Andre, it makes all the more sense.

Frost is THE Florida guy from what I've been able to tell since he came on board.

and wouldn't it make sense for Helfrich (formerly Big 12) to have contacts in Texas?

besides... how accurate are those "recruited by" listings anyway? lol
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ChipKellyKapowski wrote:I don't think it all means much... Greatwood + Mariota makes sense since Greatwood has always been the guy to work HI.

Greatwood in AZ also makes some sense, given the OL talent there this season, so it might have been more convenient all things considered to have him work on Hundley as well... also if it's true that Hundley has communication with guys like Andre, it makes all the more sense.

Frost is THE Florida guy from what I've been able to tell since he came on board.

and wouldn't it make sense for Helfrich (formerly Big 12) to have contacts in Texas?

besides... how accurate are those "recruited by" listings anyway? lol
Well yes, those are the obvious things. But this is the internet, a true conspiracy theorist, or an Oregon-Live news article commenter would certainly make something more interesting out of a list of random facts from a not completely reliable source, no?
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lol yes, I suppose so...

but alas - I am not nearly imaginative enough to see what you're getting at.
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ChipKellyKapowski wrote:I don't think it all means much... Greatwood + Mariota makes sense since Greatwood has always been the guy to work HI.

Greatwood in AZ also makes some sense, given the OL talent there this season, so it might have been more convenient all things considered to have him work on Hundley as well... also if it's true that Hundley has communication with guys like Andre, it makes all the more sense.

Frost is THE Florida guy from what I've been able to tell since he came on board.

and wouldn't it make sense for Helfrich (formerly Big 12) to have contacts in Texas?

besides... how accurate are those "recruited by" listings anyway? lol
I think that mostly true. They recruit certain regions early on and then basically scale back to their position area as they proceed during the season. As far as the regions: Aliotti gets the CA Bay Area; Pellum has SoCal; Campbell has San Joaquin and Antelope Valleys; Neal has the South and East; Azzinaro has the Northeast; Greatwood does Arizona, Hawaii and American Samoa; Frost has the Midwest and helps Neal with Florida; Helfrich and Osborne do Oregon and Washington.
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ChipKellyKapowski wrote:The way to think of it is this: Manziel and Mariotta = locked in, finished, final.

Randall has said he's a Duck, but he will not be counted as one until he visits.
Well, we'd definitely add Hundley if he committed at this point. I wonder if it's the same with Randall. Man would it suck to see him left out.

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UOducksTK1 wrote:
ChipKellyKapowski wrote:The way to think of it is this: Manziel and Mariotta = locked in, finished, final.

Randall has said he's a Duck, but he will not be counted as one until he visits.
Well, we'd definitely add Hundley if he committed at this point. I wonder if it's the same with Randall. Man would it suck to see him left out.
It sucks to have to turn down so many talented QBs. Almost too bad you can't have multiple QBs on the field just so you could get playing time for everyone.
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Hundley has one more star than Mariota & Manziel so he has to be WAY better than them right? :roll:

Anyone remember what Bennet was rated when he committed? Thats right, a lowly 3*. He was moved up to a 4* later on. Then everyone was hyping him as the next great QB.
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dthomas=ddixon wrote:Hundley has one more star than Mariota & Manziel so he has to be WAY better than them right? :roll:

Anyone remember what Bennet was rated when he committed? Thats right, a lowly 3*. He was moved up to a 4* later on. Then everyone was hyping him as the next great QB.
True. But I'd rather have that Terrelle Pryor talent if I had the option. And I don't care as much about stars as I do about...

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UOducksTK1 wrote:
dthomas=ddixon wrote:Hundley has one more star than Mariota & Manziel so he has to be WAY better than them right? :roll:

Anyone remember what Bennet was rated when he committed? Thats right, a lowly 3*. He was moved up to a 4* later on. Then everyone was hyping him as the next great QB.
True. But I'd rather have that Terrelle Pryor talent if I had the option. And I don't care as much about stars as I do about...

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Oregon Med Interest Yes None
Texas A&M Med Interest Yes None
UCLA Med Interest Yes None
Washington Med Interest Yes None
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Agreed. I'd rather have Hundley too. All I'm saying is its not like we've gone from the top recruit in the country like Pryor to some unrated 5'10 QB from North Dakota. Mariota is by all acounts right after Hundley on the coaches wishlist.
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