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Big Dave and coach Chance popped in tonight. Chance was actively recruiting matayeo and Big Dave flat out said he wants him at Oregon. Also said Nico is definitely not gone to Tennessee.
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While I am certain there was an offer from Tennessee, I would really doubt the rumors of 8M are true.
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jimmy12 wrote:While I am certain there was an offer from Tennessee, I would really doubt the rumors of 8M are true.
I just think its hilarious to see everyone get upset at a 17/18 year old for wanting to take that much money and act like its the end of the integrity of the sport or that its ruining the game.
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Duck07 wrote:
jimmy12 wrote:While I am certain there was an offer from Tennessee, I would really doubt the rumors of 8M are true.
I just think its hilarious to see everyone get upset at a 17/18 year old for wanting to take that much money and act like its the end of the integrity of the sport or that its ruining the game.
Ask yourself what you would do with that thrown at you at his age?
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Duck07 wrote:
jimmy12 wrote:While I am certain there was an offer from Tennessee, I would really doubt the rumors of 8M are true.
I just think its hilarious to see everyone get upset at a 17/18 year old for wanting to take that much money and act like its the end of the integrity of the sport or that its ruining the game.
Is anyone actually mad at the kids? I don't think I have seen that as much as people objecting to the changing landscape in what was formerly an amateur environment. There is actually nothing new about this argument - it has been going on for over a century. There are always at least three parties involved - the institutions, the athletes, and the fans. Right now, the athletes are having their day, and we will have to see how that works out - whether a new equilibrium can be reached, or if it will do damage to the system and force counter measures. I'm all for young athletes getting paid the same way coaches do, so I hope it works out for them, but I always primarily root for the fans, and if college players are being openly bought and sold, that has the potential to ruin fan experience. We'll see.
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Phalanx wrote:
Duck07 wrote:
jimmy12 wrote:While I am certain there was an offer from Tennessee, I would really doubt the rumors of 8M are true.
I just think its hilarious to see everyone get upset at a 17/18 year old for wanting to take that much money and act like its the end of the integrity of the sport or that its ruining the game.
Is anyone actually mad at the kids? I don't think I have seen that as much as people objecting to the changing landscape in what was formerly an amateur environment. There is actually nothing new about this argument - it has been going on for over a century. There are always at least three parties involved - the institutions, the athletes, and the fans. Right now, the athletes are having their day, and we will have to see how that works out - whether a new equilibrium can be reached, or if it will do damage to the system and force counter measures. I'm all for young athletes getting paid the same way coaches do, so I hope it works out for them, but I always primarily root for the fans, and if college players are being openly bought and sold, that has the potential to ruin fan experience. We'll see.
The last few years it feels like it's already ruined a lot of it with transfer portal. Don't get me wrong I support their free movement and they're ability to get paid if someone's willing to pay them. But it makes rooting for your team less interesting as players come and go and you don't have favorite players or things like that. I find myself watching other teams far more than I used to, to see players that have left but I just seem to care about the Oregon teams less. Which while sad for me, doesn't mean that should matter to the students and them getting paid. The balance will be, keeping the fans interested enough for the money to still be coming in, and I imagine with most fans not knowing much about the players/teams in the first place it won't be too tough.
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I have also experienced a decrease in interest the past few years, but it's hard to know if I should attribute it to the change in the college football environment in general, or four years of the anemic Cristobal offense, coupled with the more mercenary attitude he projected with coaches, recruits, and ultimately himself. I think this is what Joey Harrington and some others were trying to discuss though, with so many players coming and going with little or no loyalty to Oregon. Hopefully, there is still room for Lanning to foster a more Oregon-centric culture. I like the steady stream of cap-tipping to various alumni so far. Seems like a good sign.
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Phalanx wrote:I have also experienced a decrease in interest the past few years, but it's hard to know if I should attribute it to the change in the college football environment in general, or four years of the anemic Cristobal offense, coupled with the more mercenary attitude he projected with coaches, recruits, and ultimately himself. I think this is what Joey Harrington and some others were trying to discuss though, with so many players coming and going with little or no loyalty to Oregon. Hopefully, there is still room for Lanning to foster a more Oregon-centric culture. I like the steady stream of cap-tipping to various alumni so far. Seems like a good sign.

Sorry mate. This is the now college football.
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While I don't mind the kids getting paid, there should be some kind of cap to it. 99% of them will not make it to the professional level, and most these athletes are already getting a free education out of it. What they choose to do with the opportunity for a free education is on them. Many college students go into life altering debt to get the education the athletes get for free. If anything, the universities should be putting an emphasis on this and encouraging them to finish out their education.
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squintsdd wrote:While I don't mind the kids getting paid, there should be some kind of cap to it. 99% of them will not make it to the professional level, and most these athletes are already getting a free education out of it. What they choose to do with the opportunity for a free education is on them. Many college students go into life altering debt to get the education the athletes get for free. If anything, the universities should be putting an emphasis on this and encouraging them to finish out their education.
Why on earth would you think there should be a cap? Unless we are talking about billions of dollars what does them making more hurt anything? I don’t understand thought processes like this at all.
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pudgejeff wrote:
squintsdd wrote:While I don't mind the kids getting paid, there should be some kind of cap to it. 99% of them will not make it to the professional level, and most these athletes are already getting a free education out of it. What they choose to do with the opportunity for a free education is on them. Many college students go into life altering debt to get the education the athletes get for free. If anything, the universities should be putting an emphasis on this and encouraging them to finish out their education.
Why on earth would you think there should be a cap? Unless we are talking about billions of dollars what does them making more hurt anything? I don’t understand thought processes like this at all.
The problem is there was already a lack of transparency in college football prior to student athletes getting paid which was decreasing fan excitement/involvement and that will most likely get worse now. I’m not against athletes getting paid and if a recruit gets offered an $8mil NIL deal they should take it, it’s just weird to see college football becoming such a blatant bidding war. It was that way before but it’s worse now.
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pudgejeff wrote:
squintsdd wrote:While I don't mind the kids getting paid, there should be some kind of cap to it. 99% of them will not make it to the professional level, and most these athletes are already getting a free education out of it. What they choose to do with the opportunity for a free education is on them. Many college students go into life altering debt to get the education the athletes get for free. If anything, the universities should be putting an emphasis on this and encouraging them to finish out their education.
Why on earth would you think there should be a cap? Unless we are talking about billions of dollars what does them making more hurt anything? I don’t understand thought processes like this at all.
It's OK my guy, calm down and take a deep breath. I didn't really finish that thought before, so I'll clarify. Freshmen should have a cap when first coming in; in fact, freshmen shouldn't be allowed to sign NIL deals at all. Kind of a "prove it" type thing. That said, I'm speaking as a fan, I don't blame these kids one bit for taking a deal if it's offered to them. Also, I don't understand the thought process of saying these kids aren't getting anything out of it, but the universities are profiting off them. Like I said before, they are getting something. A free education that puts most students into years and years of debt. If they choose not to take advantage of a free education then that's on them. Giving them an offer in the millions when they haven't even graduated high school is absurd. Not only is it absurd, but it now opens the door for bidding wars on these kids.
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I think there should be a cap on a "per deal" basis. That way a kid can't get 8 million from 1 deal. But he has capability of getting 8 million from multiple sources. It creates at least more speed bumps in having a strictly play for pay landscape.
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OregonFan4Life wrote:
pudgejeff wrote:
squintsdd wrote:While I don't mind the kids getting paid, there should be some kind of cap to it. 99% of them will not make it to the professional level, and most these athletes are already getting a free education out of it. What they choose to do with the opportunity for a free education is on them. Many college students go into life altering debt to get the education the athletes get for free. If anything, the universities should be putting an emphasis on this and encouraging them to finish out their education.
Why on earth would you think there should be a cap? Unless we are talking about billions of dollars what does them making more hurt anything? I don’t understand thought processes like this at all.
The problem is there was already a lack of transparency in college football prior to student athletes getting paid which was decreasing fan excitement/involvement and that will most likely get worse now. I’m not against athletes getting paid and if a recruit gets offered an $8mil NIL deal they should take it, it’s just weird to see college football becoming such a blatant bidding war. It was that way before but it’s worse now.
Oh I 100% agree with it decreasing fan excitement/involvement. And agree it is a weird thing to see.
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squintsdd wrote:
pudgejeff wrote:
squintsdd wrote:While I don't mind the kids getting paid, there should be some kind of cap to it. 99% of them will not make it to the professional level, and most these athletes are already getting a free education out of it. What they choose to do with the opportunity for a free education is on them. Many college students go into life altering debt to get the education the athletes get for free. If anything, the universities should be putting an emphasis on this and encouraging them to finish out their education.
Why on earth would you think there should be a cap? Unless we are talking about billions of dollars what does them making more hurt anything? I don’t understand thought processes like this at all.
It's OK my guy, calm down and take a deep breath. I didn't really finish that thought before, so I'll clarify. Freshmen should have a cap when first coming in; in fact, freshmen shouldn't be allowed to sign NIL deals at all. Kind of a "prove it" type thing. That said, I'm speaking as a fan, I don't blame these kids one bit for taking a deal if it's offered to them. Also, I don't understand the thought process of saying these kids aren't getting anything out of it, but the universities are profiting off them. Like I said before, they are getting something. A free education that puts most students into years and years of debt. If they choose not to take advantage of a free education then that's on them. Giving them an offer in the millions when they haven't even graduated high school is absurd. Not only is it absurd, but it now opens the door for bidding wars on these kids.
Again, why should there be a cap? If somehwere/someone is willing to pay them then they have "proved it". I agree wholeheartedly that people are extremely ignorant when they the kids aren't getting anything out of it, and also that it's absurd universites/boosters would be willing to pay this for the players.
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