Whispers.. Dior Mathis

[GoDucksIn09]

Not sure about this guy or how good he is but supposedly we are leading for him over Michigan.. Michigan State.. and Miami (FL). Will post the link for those who have premium access to rivals

http://oregon.rivals.com/barrier_noentr ... &tid=&mid=

[tonyd]

That what he told us as well...

Free Article BTW...

http://www.duckterritory.com/football/f ... ol-in-lead

[UofDuck]

That what he told us as well...

Free Article BTW...

http://www.duckterritory.com/football/f ... ol-in-lead

Hey Tony: I could be in left field here, but isn't Duck Territory an ESPN affiliate? I guess my real question is; are you guys, or ESPN, ever going to start evaluating kids and score them with stars such as Scout/Rivals? As of now, ESPN has marched to the tune of a different drummer. We all know they are the 800 gorrilla in the sports world, but it would be easier to see how each firm rates each player and compare if there was a standard in place, such as how we compare Scout's and Rival's scores for each recruit. ESPN's grades are currently not as widely recognized by most of us. This is evidenced by almost all of us referrring to recruits as a 3*'s or 4*'s... You will rarely hear any of us refer to a recruit as a 78. I suppose, if you are in fact ESPN based, you might just take over the world and Rivals and Scout will have to make the change to point values in lieu of stars so we will actually start talking numbers insted of stars. Just curious I suppose.

[ncduck]

That's a very good question.

Taking it a step further, if the status quo remains, is there a scale of sorts we could use that says how a score could translate to stars?

That would be helpful to some extent.

[tonyd]

Yes, DT is an ESPN affiliate. As for the rankings, Yes, in fact it's going to be implemented as soon as the first ESPN 150 is released.

ESPN is just started to get into recruiting. Watch though, a year or two and they will take over. They've already started to cut limbs off the other services getting rights to many camps and combines as well as an AA game. In a couple years it'll be much worse for them. Rivals.com has already taken a -40% hit in total page views in the last three months alone.

Problem is the people rating for rivals and scout don't really know sh** to be honest. Have you seen Chris Fetter's Top NW rankings? They're absolutely horrible. I don't claim to be any kind of expert although I'm being mentored but I'll put my recently released Top 25 NW prospects against his anyday of the week and almost every coaching staff in the know would agree with me (Ok I cheated, one already told me mine's better )

For an example of the countless resources I have at ESPN per when I was with Rivals is a database of just about every prospect in the country. An excel sheet of over 20,000 prospects. Whereas Scout and Rivals you have to fight the national analysts for numbers and such and even some guys are "Off Limits". No limits at ESPN. Plus not all prospects have heard of Scout and Rivals so when you call them from ESPN, they get a lot more excited.

[uodux1212]

I hope he's not done growing

[Cota]

Yes, DT is an ESPN affiliate. As for the rankings, Yes, in fact it's going to be implemented as soon as the first ESPN 150 is released.

ESPN is just started to get into recruiting. Watch though, a year or two and they will take over. They've already started to cut limbs off the other services getting rights to many camps and combines as well as an AA game. In a couple years it'll be much worse for them. Rivals.com has already taken a -40% hit in total page views in the last three months alone.

Problem is the people rating for rivals and scout don't really know sh** to be honest. Have you seen Chris Fetter's Top NW rankings? They're absolutely horrible. I don't claim to be any kind of expert although I'm being mentored but I'll put my recently released Top 25 NW prospects against his anyday of the week and almost every coaching staff in the know would agree with me (Ok I cheated, one already told me mine's better )

For an example of the countless resources I have at ESPN per when I was with Rivals is a database of just about every prospect in the country. An excel sheet of over 20,000 prospects. Whereas Scout and Rivals you have to fight the national analysts for numbers and such and even some guys are "Off Limits". No limits at ESPN. Plus not all prospects have heard of Scout and Rivals so when you call them from ESPN, they get a lot more excited.

lmao at rivals falling off. You are going to need inside sources before you outgrow DSA. As if now you don't have any.

[tonyd]

First off, I said Rivals.com, not DSA. I actually never even mentioned DSA. 2nd, LMAO at me not having any inside sources, you clearly have no clue.

[Cota]

First off, I said Rivals.com, not DSA. I actually never even mentioned DSA. 2nd, LMAO at me not having any inside sources, you clearly have no clue.

Oh you do huh? Well who is the silent right now then?

[Tray Dub]

Oh boy... A DSA vs. DT recruit-knowledge-off.


Who exactly is the silent?

[ARGHimaPirate]

Its going to someone who has visited, has an offer, and wants to be a duck. So that makes a small enough group that Im sure anyone could guess and figure it out.

[Cota]

Oh boy... A DSA vs. DT recruit-knowledge-off.


Who exactly is the silent?

Actually I don't belong to any recruiting sites, so I have no beef. In fact this is my buddies account.

[briarduck]

Yes, DT is an ESPN affiliate. As for the rankings, Yes, in fact it's going to be implemented as soon as the first ESPN 150 is released.

ESPN is just started to get into recruiting. Watch though, a year or two and they will take over. They've already started to cut limbs off the other services getting rights to many camps and combines as well as an AA game. In a couple years it'll be much worse for them. Rivals.com has already taken a -40% hit in total page views in the last three months alone.

Problem is the people rating for rivals and scout don't really know sh** to be honest. Have you seen Chris Fetter's Top NW rankings? They're absolutely horrible. I don't claim to be any kind of expert although I'm being mentored but I'll put my recently released Top 25 NW prospects against his anyday of the week and almost every coaching staff in the know would agree with me (Ok I cheated, one already told me mine's better )

For an example of the countless resources I have at ESPN per when I was with Rivals is a database of just about every prospect in the country. An excel sheet of over 20,000 prospects. Whereas Scout and Rivals you have to fight the national analysts for numbers and such and even some guys are "Off Limits". No limits at ESPN. Plus not all prospects have heard of Scout and Rivals so when you call them from ESPN, they get a lot more excited.

lmao at rivals falling off. You are going to need inside sources before you outgrow DSA. As if now you don't have any.

Honestly what are you doing, Tony and many others provide us with excellent information for FREE and you are calling him out!! Dude again I ask, what are you doing? Don't bite/bark at the hand that feeds you!

Thanks again Tony, mops, TK, jhop and many others for for all your efforts!

GO DUCKS!!

[GoDucksIn09]

Okkkkk.... 2 things since I was one that started this little thread.

First off can we get back to the subject of Dior Mathis. That is why created the thread. I am not in the know and never will be. I was wanting to find out peoples thoughts about him and have the thread about us being in the lead for him.


Second off... I probably speak for a lot of people here. I do not care who.. or where the source is coming from. This is recruiting and nothing is set in stone. A lot of it is speculative at best. They change minds frequently and sometimes it turns out not in our favor and take all the information in knowing until signing day it does not mean a whole lot. I do enjoy reading things about the recruits. I do not know Tony.. or the ones who run this site but I appreciate all of them.. for all their work.. all the information they have.. all the information they share.. even if it turns out it changes.

[gosterman01]

Don't doubt Tony he is very good at what he does, and knows more things about recruiting and sports then anyone one here. I think we are very lucky to get his knowledge on this site considering he runs Duck Territory which is a very good site as well.