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dave · Post by **dave** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:54 pm

Marzeial wrote:The young talent on the Suns is insane

Suns are stupid talented. When is the last time they had a winning season?

bellsduck · Post by **bellsduck** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:00 pm

Obviously coaching is an issue.

Marzeial · Post by **Marzeial** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:07 pm

They're what the real life Sixers wanted to do

dave · Post by **dave** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:23 pm

In past leagues I've participated in we've had tanking rules. Max 4 losing seasons to prevent stacking talent. I'm not sure Suns guys have all been their own picks but damn that is a lot of top 3 talent year after year.

Marzeial · Post by **Marzeial** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:38 pm

Doesn't really seem like tanking though. They've made some good trades and gotten super lucky in the lotto. Also, not sure how much the pieces fit together, but if they ever do, look out

Dbray07 · Post by **Dbray07** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:52 pm

Raptors select Brandon knight

dave · Post by **dave** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:55 pm

Marzeial wrote:Doesn't really seem like tanking though. They've made some good trades and gotten super lucky in the lotto. Also, not sure how much the pieces fit together, but if they ever do, look out

Rule was more in place to put an urgency on winning. It's easy to lose and make trades to lose more.

pudgejeff · Post by **pudgejeff** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:24 pm

dave wrote:
Marzeial wrote:Doesn't really seem like tanking though. They've made some good trades and gotten super lucky in the lotto. Also, not sure how much the pieces fit together, but if they ever do, look out
Rule was more in place to put an urgency on winning. It's easy to lose and make trades to lose more.

We have had that as well, he's seem to have been trying to win though I feel like, guys just not quite working out.

dave · Post by **dave** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:36 pm

pudgejeff wrote:
dave wrote:
Marzeial wrote:Doesn't really seem like tanking though. They've made some good trades and gotten super lucky in the lotto. Also, not sure how much the pieces fit together, but if they ever do, look out
Rule was more in place to put an urgency on winning. It's easy to lose and make trades to lose more.
We have had that as well, he's seem to have been trying to win though I feel like, guys just not quite working out.

Durant #1
Harden #3
Griffin #2
Leonard #1

That's an insane 4 year stretch. At some point there needs to be some accountability. In addition to that he signed Yao Ming last offseason and I'm not including Rose #5, Bledsoe #10, Lawson 18, Chandler 16

DrBradBuss · Post by **DrBradBuss** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:45 pm

dave wrote:
pudgejeff wrote:
dave wrote:
Marzeial wrote:Doesn't really seem like tanking though. They've made some good trades and gotten super lucky in the lotto. Also, not sure how much the pieces fit together, but if they ever do, look out
Rule was more in place to put an urgency on winning. It's easy to lose and make trades to lose more.
We have had that as well, he's seem to have been trying to win though I feel like, guys just not quite working out.
Durant #1
Harden #3
Griffin #2
Leonard #1

That's an insane 4 year stretch. At some point there needs to be some accountability. In addition to that he signed Yao Ming last offseason and I'm not including Rose #5, Bledsoe #10, Lawson 18, Chandler 16

Rose has so far been one of the biggest busts we've had. Harden's offense doesn't make for his defense yet. Bledsoe might be a tweener. Leonard is not developed. I got lucky in two drafts to move up. And I was surprised as anyone last year that I didn't finish better than I did. Put in a max offer for E.Curry that he obviously didn't take. So it's not for lack of trying.

dave · Post by **dave** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:28 pm

DrBradBuss wrote:
dave wrote:
pudgejeff wrote:
dave wrote:
Marzeial wrote:Doesn't really seem like tanking though. They've made some good trades and gotten super lucky in the lotto. Also, not sure how much the pieces fit together, but if they ever do, look out
Rule was more in place to put an urgency on winning. It's easy to lose and make trades to lose more.
We have had that as well, he's seem to have been trying to win though I feel like, guys just not quite working out.
Durant #1
Harden #3
Griffin #2
Leonard #1

That's an insane 4 year stretch. At some point there needs to be some accountability. In addition to that he signed Yao Ming last offseason and I'm not including Rose #5, Bledsoe #10, Lawson 18, Chandler 16
Rose has so far been one of the biggest busts we've had. Harden's offense doesn't make for his defense yet. Bledsoe might be a tweener. Leonard is not developed. I got lucky in two drafts to move up. And I was surprised as anyone last year that I didn't finish better than I did. Put in a max offer for E.Curry that he obviously didn't take. So it's not for lack of trying.

Not an inditement on you but the system. Top of drafts need to be more of a guarantee and needs to be more emphasis put on winning.

pudgejeff · Post by **pudgejeff** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:41 pm

dave wrote:
DrBradBuss wrote:
dave wrote:
pudgejeff wrote:
dave wrote:
Marzeial wrote:Doesn't really seem like tanking though. They've made some good trades and gotten super lucky in the lotto. Also, not sure how much the pieces fit together, but if they ever do, look out
Rule was more in place to put an urgency on winning. It's easy to lose and make trades to lose more.
We have had that as well, he's seem to have been trying to win though I feel like, guys just not quite working out.
Durant #1
Harden #3
Griffin #2
Leonard #1

That's an insane 4 year stretch. At some point there needs to be some accountability. In addition to that he signed Yao Ming last offseason and I'm not including Rose #5, Bledsoe #10, Lawson 18, Chandler 16
Rose has so far been one of the biggest busts we've had. Harden's offense doesn't make for his defense yet. Bledsoe might be a tweener. Leonard is not developed. I got lucky in two drafts to move up. And I was surprised as anyone last year that I didn't finish better than I did. Put in a max offer for E.Curry that he obviously didn't take. So it's not for lack of trying.
Not an inditement on you but the system. Top of drafts need to be more of a guarantee and needs to be more emphasis put on winning.

Man, this made me go look at the last few drafts...they have been absolutely brutal. So many busts and just meh players coming from the top of the drafts. Kinda worried about the talent in the league

Boom · Post by **Boom** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:50 pm

DrBradBuss wrote:
dave wrote:
pudgejeff wrote:
dave wrote:
Marzeial wrote:Doesn't really seem like tanking though. They've made some good trades and gotten super lucky in the lotto. Also, not sure how much the pieces fit together, but if they ever do, look out
Rule was more in place to put an urgency on winning. It's easy to lose and make trades to lose more.
We have had that as well, he's seem to have been trying to win though I feel like, guys just not quite working out.
Durant #1
Harden #3
Griffin #2
Leonard #1

That's an insane 4 year stretch. At some point there needs to be some accountability. In addition to that he signed Yao Ming last offseason and I'm not including Rose #5, Bledsoe #10, Lawson 18, Chandler 16
Rose has so far been one of the biggest busts we've had. Harden's offense doesn't make for his defense yet. Bledsoe might be a tweener. Leonard is not developed. I got lucky in two drafts to move up. And I was surprised as anyone last year that I didn't finish better than I did. Put in a max offer for E.Curry that he obviously didn't take. So it's not for lack of trying.

Could have had Curry for Leonard

dave · Post by **dave** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:56 pm

pudgejeff wrote:
dave wrote:
DrBradBuss wrote:
dave wrote:
pudgejeff wrote:
dave wrote: Rule was more in place to put an urgency on winning. It's easy to lose and make trades to lose more.
We have had that as well, he's seem to have been trying to win though I feel like, guys just not quite working out.
Durant #1
Harden #3
Griffin #2
Leonard #1

That's an insane 4 year stretch. At some point there needs to be some accountability. In addition to that he signed Yao Ming last offseason and I'm not including Rose #5, Bledsoe #10, Lawson 18, Chandler 16
Rose has so far been one of the biggest busts we've had. Harden's offense doesn't make for his defense yet. Bledsoe might be a tweener. Leonard is not developed. I got lucky in two drafts to move up. And I was surprised as anyone last year that I didn't finish better than I did. Put in a max offer for E.Curry that he obviously didn't take. So it's not for lack of trying.
Not an inditement on you but the system. Top of drafts need to be more of a guarantee and needs to be more emphasis put on winning.
Man, this made me go look at the last few drafts...they have been absolutely brutal. So many busts and just meh players coming from the top of the drafts. Kinda worried about the talent in the league

That bc there is no dedication to draft. Draft list notes are posted after Finals. It's oh shot we got to get this done aspect of the league. Orange has done an amazing job summing. So on point and consistent but drafts need work. I don't know about the inner workings of fbb player creation but I can help out with draft if needed. I've worked with most of these upcoming players in real life so I can have some good perspective.

Brophdog88 · Post by **Brophdog88** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:02 pm

dave wrote:
Marzeial wrote:Doesn't really seem like tanking though. They've made some good trades and gotten super lucky in the lotto. Also, not sure how much the pieces fit together, but if they ever do, look out
Rule was more in place to put an urgency on winning. It's easy to lose and make trades to lose more.

problem is we don't have the GM's for that

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