If you had to fire one coach on the coaching staff right now, who would it be and why?

[OregonFan4Life]

In hindsight I’m realizing I was too much of a Will Stein hater and the more I looked into this I have realized that both he and Coach Meh have had their hands tied with the OL play, and to an extent having a 1 read QB with a golden arm.

I do think if Dan had to fire a member of the offensive coaching staff it should probably be Terry. There is no doubt in my mind he could be an awesome OLine coach someday, but he was probably put in a role he wasn’t ready for, though unfortunately I think we could say that about a lot of the coaching staff with Dan’s hiring habits. I have high hopes for guys like Tofi and Nacho, but I’ve been watching some analysis of the footwork/handwork of guys on the OLine and it isn’t good, and guys rarely seem to get better under Terry, they just stay the same guys under him. Only exception from my perspective is Poncho who does seem to be better this year


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[dthomas=ddixon]

I’ve never understood the love and excuse making for Terry. He’s always seemed like a coach who doesn’t really know what he’s doing and is just guessing. As evidenced by his insistence on rotating a unit that least benefits—and is often hurt—from constant rotation. How he starts every season with no idea who his best 5 OL are is beyond me.

But people like QB11 are still talking about how great the line will be once the freshman get more into the rotation. The goalposts always get moved for the OL, which Doug actually called him out on that during their most recent show.

[OregonFan4Life]

I’ve never understood the love and excuse making for Terry. He’s always seemed like a coach who doesn’t really know what he’s doing and is just guessing. As evidenced by his insistence on rotating a unit that least benefits—and is often hurt—from constant rotation. How he starts every season with no idea who his best 5 OL are is beyond me.

But people like QB11 are still talking about how great the line will be once the freshman get more into the rotation. The goalposts always get moved for the OL, which Doug actually called him out on that during their most recent show.

I listened to that today and kinda wish Doug spoke up more, cause like he said, how much longer can we say “well in two years Terry will have this OLine looking great!” These are mostly his guys, why does Fox Crader look so poor? Why is Dave Iuli not getting better? It certainly brings things into question and an OC will be very limited by an underperforming OLine.

I also decided to go watch some of the PSU game to see if QB11’s hype regarding Nacho and Tofi was warranted, especially that they should start after the bye week, I have no clue what he’s talking about. They might be great someday but if we spend most of the season starting Nacho at LT Moore will get sacked a ton, he’s giant and strong but a complete statue.

Hopefully the OLine gets better and gets better quickly. I studied the PSU game a little bit and the OLine was a mess, but Oregon just had too good of athletes. If the OLine performs like that again the ducks will be 2-2 going into the bye week (unless the defense plays lights out) and then Dan will have to question where Terry is the right man for the job. I understand the hope for Tofi and Nacho, but until this season Terry has heavily relied on guys recruited before him and transfer portal additions, and this year he’s heavily relying on his guys, and we continue to see guys not develop or get better, and sometimes look even worse (Harper, Cornelius, Iuli, Crader so far, to name a few) and that has to bring the OLine coaching into question.


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[dthomas=ddixon]

I’ve never understood the love and excuse making for Terry. He’s always seemed like a coach who doesn’t really know what he’s doing and is just guessing. As evidenced by his insistence on rotating a unit that least benefits—and is often hurt—from constant rotation. How he starts every season with no idea who his best 5 OL are is beyond me.

But people like QB11 are still talking about how great the line will be once the freshman get more into the rotation. The goalposts always get moved for the OL, which Doug actually called him out on that during their most recent show.

I listened to that today and kinda wish Doug spoke up more, cause like he said, how much longer can we say “well in two years Terry will have this OLine looking great!” These are mostly his guys, why does Fox Crader look so poor? Why is Dave Iuli not getting better? It certainly brings things into question and an OC will be very limited by an underperforming OLine.

I also decided to go watch some of the PSU game to see if QB11’s hype regarding Nacho and Tofi was warranted, especially that they should start after the bye week, I have no clue what he’s talking about. They might be great someday but if we spend most of the season starting Nacho at LT Moore will get sacked a ton, he’s giant and strong but a complete statue.

Hopefully the OLine gets better and gets better quickly. I studied the PSU game a little bit and the OLine was a mess, but Oregon just had too good of athletes. If the OLine performs like that again the ducks will be 2-2 going into the bye week (unless the defense plays lights out) and then Dan will have to question where Terry is the right man for the job. I understand the hope for Tofi and Nacho, but until this season Terry has heavily relied on guys recruited before him and transfer portal additions, and this year he’s heavily relying on his guys, and we continue to see guys not develop or get better, and sometimes look even worse (Harper, Cornelius, Iuli, Crader so far, to name a few) and that has to bring the OLine coaching into question.


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Yeah the can always gets kicked down the road to the next generation of players. It’s a great way to keep fans coming back and wanting more.

But yeah, I didn’t see anything from the OL against PSU to make me think they’ve figured things out. I expect they’ll get better as the season goes on as they usually do but that’s also not hard to do when you start every season a complete mess up front.

Like Doug I’m sort of over all the hype until we get serious about the OL. We can be loaded at the skill positions, and even dominant on D, but if we can’t run the ball or protect the QB it kind of doesn’t matter. And I’m really tired of the massive hype train every year—which the program itself is the primary fuel for—only for us to come out and struggle against Idaho St, get dominated by a really bad OSU program, and end the year with an eventual no show blow out.

[pezsez1]

But yeah, I didn’t see anything from the OL against PSU to make me think they’ve figured things out. I expect they’ll get better as the season goes on as they usually do but that’s also not hard to do when you start every season a complete mess up front.

The one thing I'm holding out hope for is this coaching staff tends to view the first 2-3 games as practice. We've seen this in years past. They don't bring real game plans, they're ultra vanilla, they rotate guys constantly, etc. And then when the "real" games start (never mind that we lost one of our practices) they have real game plans and real rotations and suddenly things look better.

I'm just hoping that's the case.

[Everythingsducky]

But yeah, I didn’t see anything from the OL against PSU to make me think they’ve figured things out. I expect they’ll get better as the season goes on as they usually do but that’s also not hard to do when you start every season a complete mess up front.

The one thing I'm holding out hope for is this coaching staff tends to view the first 2-3 games as practice. We've seen this in years past. They don't bring real game plans, they're ultra vanilla, they rotate guys constantly, etc. And then when the "real" games start (never mind that we lost one of our practices) they have real game plans and real rotations and suddenly things look better.

I'm just hoping that's the case.

I’m hoping as well. I’m not (and didn’t vote Terry to get canned) going down that road just yet. He may have recruited three serious studs. From my reading/watching, Tofi is already being compared to Penei. Means nothing right now. Could be a situation where they felt pretty good about these guys, and why they didn’t hit the portal especially hard (or hardly) on the O-line this year. So, I’m going to give a little slack to Terry for the moment. I mean, Pregnon is starting this year, and Harkey and World are on IR with their teams. With Pancho staying, that’s 3/5 starters that made the league. Probably would have been 4/5 if Pancho declared. Can another Duck unit show that success? Outside of QB, of course, but certainly related.

[dthomas=ddixon]

That’s one of the more creative excuses for this staff I’ve heard, especially because it suggests far bigger issues with this staff. If they’re treating real games as practices—whether out of necessity or by choice—we’re dealing with a level of incompetence and negligence that would be cause to fire the entire staff.

It’s much more likely that the staff just isn’t good at evaluating performance in practice and projecting what it will look like in games. Almost every year Terry has started 1 or more lineman who are apparently fantastic in practice but so bad in games that the team plays noticeably better whenever they’re on the sideline. See: Charlie Pickard starting at center in ‘24.

[OregonFan4Life]

My issue with the defense of Terry about the 3 guys he recruited, is if you were to say the OLine will be ELITE someday, fine, but we’re below that, we are just hoping for competent OLine play SOMEDAY and HOPING the OLine suddenly picks it up by Saturday. Maybe they will and maybe the OLine will be fine for the rest of the season, but with the players he has there is 0 reason for Lanning or any fan to be ok with the level of play from the OLine we’ve seen so far. They’re bad, they are legitimately bad (outside of Poncho). I saw a play against PSU where everyone on the line took a full slide left at the snap, except Crader and that allowed the DE to get inside and blow up the play. And it’s not just one play like that, it’s constant. This OLine has simply been a mess, and does that mean they will be a mess all season? No. But we can’t allow such poor OLine play from an OLine coach in his 4th year that ultimately did cost Oregon an early game, and almost 2 this season.

Also why do we seem to hold some position groups/coaches to low standards? I was having this debate with a friend who is more of the QB11 type, the hopeful optimistic type, and I was criticizing the OLine for how they played against Texas Tech and Indiana last year, he replied that they were great DLines but we did well against the lesser DLines. If Oregon is supposed to be a natty contender, why should anyone settle for an OLine that can hold their own against the medium to good OLines and get steamrolled by great/elite DLines?

I’m just confused by the mental gymnastics to support Terry through 3 games in his 4th season at Oregon.


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[pezsez1]

That’s one of the more creative excuses for this staff I’ve heard, especially because it suggests far bigger issues with this staff. If they’re treating real games as practices—whether out of necessity or by choice—we’re dealing with a level of incompetence and negligence that would be cause to fire the entire staff.

It’s much more likely that the staff just isn’t good at evaluating performance in practice and projecting what it will look like in games.

I'm not trying to make any excuses for anyone. I'm extremely unhappy with Dan Lanning and this staff right now. I'm just trying to rationalize why this is happening based on what we've seen in the past.

If Oregon continues looking disjointed this season and we either don't make the playoffs or suffer another blowout loss -- and if Lanning doesn't follow that up with HUGE offseason coaching changes -- then it's going to be fair to question whether he's really that guy. He seems like he has all the makings of a great coach, but how many years do we need to watch him **** around before he grows up and gets serious? Uncle Phil is getting old, and with his recent billion-dollar gifts, I wonder if maybe his health is declining more than we know. We don't have years to wait for Dan Lanning to grow up. He really needed to put on his big boy pants last offseason and make some big changes. He didn't. Doing it this next offseason will be one year too late. He needs to stop TALKING about Oregon being a top-tier program and start ACTING like Oregon is a top-tier program. We can get almost any coach/coordinator we want. Go and get winners.

[dthomas=ddixon]

That’s one of the more creative excuses for this staff I’ve heard, especially because it suggests far bigger issues with this staff. If they’re treating real games as practices—whether out of necessity or by choice—we’re dealing with a level of incompetence and negligence that would be cause to fire the entire staff.

It’s much more likely that the staff just isn’t good at evaluating performance in practice and projecting what it will look like in games.

I'm not trying to make any excuses for anyone. I'm extremely unhappy with Dan Lanning and this staff right now. I'm just trying to rationalize why this is happening based on what we've seen in the past.

If Oregon continues looking disjointed this season and we either don't make the playoffs or suffer another blowout loss -- and if Lanning doesn't follow that up with HUGE offseason coaching changes -- then it's going to be fair to question whether he's really that guy. He seems like he has all the makings of a great coach, but how many years do we need to watch him **** around before he grows up and gets serious? Uncle Phil is getting old, and with his recent billion-dollar gifts, I wonder if maybe his health is declining more than we know. We don't have years to wait for Dan Lanning to grow up. He really needed to put on his big boy pants last offseason and make some big changes. He didn't. Doing it this next offseason will be one year too late. He needs to stop TALKING about Oregon being a top-tier program and start ACTING like Oregon is a top-tier program. We can get almost any coach/coordinator we want. Go and get winners.

Fair enough, completely agree. I too think Lanning can be the guy but he has to change his hiring practices. He’s kidding himself if he actually thinks it’s possible to have a staff full of 30 year old football geniuses.

[OregonFan4Life]

I probably should slow down a bit on Terry as I think he’s an easy scapegoat, like Will was last year. But I think it’s fair to say something hasn’t been right with the Oregon offense in a while and they do tend to struggle to be productive in big games. Why that is? Who knows, maybe it’s the way Dan coaches, idk.


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